Homo ferricus Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 yippity dooda, the Marine Corps is staying true to the original M16 family. The new A4s with the RIS and whatnot look pretty nice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 yippity dooda, the Marine Corps is staying true to the original M16 family. The new A4s with the RIS and whatnot look pretty nice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve The most recent pic of the 1st AD is actually a year old, however I have seen some pics of 1st CAV soldiers carrying A4s recently. I'll see if I can find a few. I'm thinking the "heavy" divisions are still using them in some subordinate units. Definitely the exception, rather than the rule, in Army units now. edit: okay, kinda small, but first one I found: HIGH-RES UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters land in Samarra, Iraq, to pick up Soldiers from Company D, 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, following an operation March 3. [ March 30, 2007, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: akd ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve The most recent pic of the 1st AD is actually a year old, however I have seen some pics of 1st CAV soldiers carrying A4s recently. I'll see if I can find a few. I'm thinking the "heavy" divisions are still using them in some subordinate units. Definitely the exception, rather than the rule, in Army units now. edit: okay, kinda small, but first one I found: HIGH-RES UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters land in Samarra, Iraq, to pick up Soldiers from Company D, 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, following an operation March 3. [ March 30, 2007, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: akd ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: Lt Mike is correct. Recently I saw some pics of 1st AD still using M16s (I think this is in AKD's thread), but it is certainly the minority situation today. By CM:SF's timeframe even the rearline units will have few M16s still kicking around. Steve The most recent pic of the 1st AD is actually a year old, however I have seen some pics of 1st CAV soldiers carrying A4s recently. I'll see if I can find a few. I'm thinking the "heavy" divisions are still using them in some subordinate units. Definitely the exception, rather than the rule, in Army units now. edit: okay, kinda small, but first one I found: HIGH-RES UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters land in Samarra, Iraq, to pick up Soldiers from Company D, 3rd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, following an operation March 3. [ March 30, 2007, 07:27 PM: Message edited by: akd ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks for your replies ppl, and yes i will pick up the USMC module later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks for your replies ppl, and yes i will pick up the USMC module later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks for your replies ppl, and yes i will pick up the USMC module later 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Anyway does anyone know why the army chose the M4 over the M16? i know all about the more compact thing but as far as i know the M4 is less reliable. if i'm making a big mistake saying that, can someone enlighten me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Anyway does anyone know why the army chose the M4 over the M16? i know all about the more compact thing but as far as i know the M4 is less reliable. if i'm making a big mistake saying that, can someone enlighten me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Anyway does anyone know why the army chose the M4 over the M16? i know all about the more compact thing but as far as i know the M4 is less reliable. if i'm making a big mistake saying that, can someone enlighten me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 There have been a couple of good discussions about this in the not to distant past. If you do a Search on "M16" I'm sure they will come up pretty easily. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 There have been a couple of good discussions about this in the not to distant past. If you do a Search on "M16" I'm sure they will come up pretty easily. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 There have been a couple of good discussions about this in the not to distant past. If you do a Search on "M16" I'm sure they will come up pretty easily. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 M4 is just as reliable. Same parts, man. Just smaller. And if you ask me the M16A4 is kind of pointless. It's just an A2 with the rail system on it. Its actually 2lbs heavier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 M4 is just as reliable. Same parts, man. Just smaller. And if you ask me the M16A4 is kind of pointless. It's just an A2 with the rail system on it. Its actually 2lbs heavier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse 31 Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 M4 is just as reliable. Same parts, man. Just smaller. And if you ask me the M16A4 is kind of pointless. It's just an A2 with the rail system on it. Its actually 2lbs heavier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There are several reasons why the Marines went with the M-16A4 instead of the M-4 series as the standard infantry rifle. A long test was conducted at Quantico. One example of why the Marines did not go with the M-4 entirely was that the M-4 did jam more often during the test (thousands of rounds were fired) than the M-16A4 and the round has less velocity since its coming out of a shorter barrel. The standard NATO round would not reliabley penetrate a steel helmet at 300 yards, while a M-16A4 would. Each has advantages and disadvantages and under 200-300m or so, there is very little difference ballistically. Most Army rifle squads I have seen have M-4s with Aimpoint red dot scopes. Some soldiers have different scopes such as the ACOG or personal scopes. M-4s with Aimpoint style scopes are great for CQB. Not as great for longer engagements. Marine squads have M-16A4s with ACOGs. The longer rifle can be awkward to use for CQB and from vehicles. It is more effective for longer engagements. M-4s are being used by recon units, drivers, officers, etc.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There are several reasons why the Marines went with the M-16A4 instead of the M-4 series as the standard infantry rifle. A long test was conducted at Quantico. One example of why the Marines did not go with the M-4 entirely was that the M-4 did jam more often during the test (thousands of rounds were fired) than the M-16A4 and the round has less velocity since its coming out of a shorter barrel. The standard NATO round would not reliabley penetrate a steel helmet at 300 yards, while a M-16A4 would. Each has advantages and disadvantages and under 200-300m or so, there is very little difference ballistically. Most Army rifle squads I have seen have M-4s with Aimpoint red dot scopes. Some soldiers have different scopes such as the ACOG or personal scopes. M-4s with Aimpoint style scopes are great for CQB. Not as great for longer engagements. Marine squads have M-16A4s with ACOGs. The longer rifle can be awkward to use for CQB and from vehicles. It is more effective for longer engagements. M-4s are being used by recon units, drivers, officers, etc.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 There are several reasons why the Marines went with the M-16A4 instead of the M-4 series as the standard infantry rifle. A long test was conducted at Quantico. One example of why the Marines did not go with the M-4 entirely was that the M-4 did jam more often during the test (thousands of rounds were fired) than the M-16A4 and the round has less velocity since its coming out of a shorter barrel. The standard NATO round would not reliabley penetrate a steel helmet at 300 yards, while a M-16A4 would. Each has advantages and disadvantages and under 200-300m or so, there is very little difference ballistically. Most Army rifle squads I have seen have M-4s with Aimpoint red dot scopes. Some soldiers have different scopes such as the ACOG or personal scopes. M-4s with Aimpoint style scopes are great for CQB. Not as great for longer engagements. Marine squads have M-16A4s with ACOGs. The longer rifle can be awkward to use for CQB and from vehicles. It is more effective for longer engagements. M-4s are being used by recon units, drivers, officers, etc.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 actually, i don't know if your going to have to wait or not because i was checking through one of the galleries and i saw a modelled m16(with m203) next to an m4, so im guessing they'll be in the game, unless BFC is already working on the Marines module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo ferricus Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 actually, i don't know if your going to have to wait or not because i was checking through one of the galleries and i saw a modelled m16(with m203) next to an m4, so im guessing they'll be in the game, unless BFC is already working on the Marines module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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