boy_Recon Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 This bugs me, because it confuses things. I always assumed, in cmbo, that 'sneaking' meant walking very stealthily in order to minimise noise; whereas crawling meant hugging the ground to minimise your visibility and maximise concealment. Its very difficult to crawl quietly as you are dragging the whole of your body's frontal surface area (let alone whatever equipment and accoutrements you might have about your person)across the surafce of the ground. disturbing the rubble, leaves, etc that will make a noise. Why then, in a night scenario, when i want to sneak up on a position do i now only have the option for my troops to fling themselves face down in the mud and drag themselves along disturbing every pice of debris in their path? Is "advance" the new "sneak"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 According to a prior post by Kwazydog on this subject, the Move command is now the new sneak command. Sorta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boy_Recon Posted October 30, 2002 Author Share Posted October 30, 2002 oh, right. but didn't Move used to be kind of 'ambling along without a care in the world' sort of thing................? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 "Saunter," I think it was. Or "sashay," I forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Some say it was more of a waltz, but yes essentially the crawl has been replaced by the sneak. Which, as it turns out has been modified into a crawl. I would agree though, that a sneak is a sneak, and a crawl is a crawl and should remain so. It is all so confusing... Not particularly delighted with that implementation meself. Mainly due to the fast rate at which troops exhaust themselves in sneak/crawl mode. I believe the thinking went, that move-to-contact replaced the sneak. Which is okay IMO, but I have no idea why crawl was renamed sneak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sgt. Emren Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 I have no idea why crawl was renamed sneak Since it apparently is a combination of the two, perhaps 'creak' or 'snawl'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurd Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 but move-to-contact become helpless as soon as 1 lone LMG, or whatever unit you don't care of, is in LOS of your troops. then if you want to move to contact carefully (for example in woods, towards known ennemy position), you have no choice but the "move" order. Could someone give the link to the Kwazydog post on this subject ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarquelne Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 How about changing the interface? Make "Move" say "Sneak" Make "Sneak" say "Crawl" Make "Move to contact" say "Stop if you hear anything", or whatever. Then _pretend_ that BFC patched the game to your specifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Pilot Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Originally posted by Bruno Weiss: Some say it was more of a waltz, but yes essentially the crawl has been replaced by the sneak. Which, as it turns out has been modified into a crawl. I would agree though, that a sneak is a sneak, and a crawl is a crawl and should remain so. It is all so confusing... Not particularly delighted with that implementation meself. Mainly due to the fast rate at which troops exhaust themselves in sneak/crawl mode. I believe the thinking went, that move-to-contact replaced the sneak. Which is okay IMO, but I have no idea why crawl was renamed sneak.Do troops exhaust themselves, or just tire themselves now? I thought tiring troops got more exhausted than tired troops used to get before they became exhausted? Maybe they get weary? Should we try a little tenderness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 In my experiences anyway, they get outright exhausted. MG's being ofcourse, the worst offender. I can run inf type troops like race horses to and fro and only if I run them over 50 meters at a hop do they begin to tire, or become tiring. But let em crawl/sneak, or I guess scrawl/creep, after only a few yards and poof! Outright exhausted? [ October 30, 2002, 02:10 PM: Message edited by: Bruno Weiss ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Deadmarsh Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 I agree. I don't like the new implementations. Your sneaking units get tired to easily and there's no move command now to sneak up on other troops without firing once you get into LOS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 The move command in CMBB is in fact moving the troops so that they are much harder so see than in CMBO. The basic problem is that CMBB, due to missing SOP settings, needs too many commands. BFC tries to blend speed, behaviour and SOPs all into single commands. Needless to say, oif you have 3 speeds, 3 behaviours and 4 SOPs then you end up with 36 possible commands. Some had to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Either that or a clutch inserted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterk Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 I have no problem with Sneak->Crawl but Move->Sneak??? I use Move to get my guys from A->B along a road. They're not sneaking, they're marching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted October 31, 2002 Share Posted October 31, 2002 Originally posted by Ace Pilot: Do troops exhaust themselves, or just tire themselves now? I thought tiring troops got more exhausted than tired troops used to get before they became exhausted? Maybe they get weary? Should we try a little tenderness?CMBO Tired = CMBB Tiring CMBO Weary = CMBB Tired All else is the same for Fatigue. So how much has that misunderstanding thrown you off? I remember playing the Demo and thinking, what the heck is "tiring?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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