renaldo Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I'm not sure if this helps (or even whether BF are looking into this) but as an experiment I put CMBO onto my VISTA machine and it doesn't have the same issue - the issue is only with CMBB and CMAK. Is there any chance that helps you at BF diagnose a work round until the drivers are fixed by NVIDIA ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Do you know if you're running in 'software rendering' mode with CMBO ? That is one of the primary differences with CMBO and the latter CMBB & CMAK. Software rendering utilizes the CPU to push all of the polygons and textures rather than the videocard's GPU. This typically resulted in lower performance and required downsampling of the textures to control bandwidth, which didn't look "pretty" and most users considered it a last resort option. CMBO supported 640x480 resolution while the later titles don't; they needed 800x600 minimum resolution for the control interface at the bottom. Thus CMBO had a 'software rendering' mode which ran at 640x480 and used downsampling to control the texture bandwidth. CMBB & CMAK had larger textures and a lot more of them, so it was decided that 'software rendering' wouldn't be appropriate for those titles and the feature was removed (these are the details to my knowledge). You may want to delete your CMBO Prefs file and go through the resolution selection process again and pay very close attention to see what you're being offered and what you're selecting during the process. Unfortunately the CMx1 series is considered a "finished" product and no more patches/changes are being done to the games (with the sole exception of some changes to CMBB for Combat Mission Campaigns - and that is just to support the external game in a somewhat minimal manner). The only thing to do is to hound Nvidia (via their NVIDIA Windows Vista Graphics Driver Bug Report page) to fix the driver. If they see enough demand for it and can get the appropriate details on the problem they may look into it. (You may want to point them to the Demo downloads just in case, since this isn't a super-popular title) [ August 01, 2007, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Schrullenhaft ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renaldo Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I don't think I am running "software rendering" mode with CMBO since I am running at 1024 x 768 @ 75 hz. Is "software rendering" mode automatically switched on at 640 x 480 ? Anyhow, following up I have run at a variety of resolutions to see if it makes a difference. I ran CMBO at each of : 1600 x 1200 @ 60 hz 1024 x 768 @ 75 hz 640 x 480 @ 60 hz I ran either CMBB or CMAK at each of : 1600 x 1200 @ 60 hz 1280 x 1024 @ 60 hz 1024 x 768 @ 75 hz 800 x 600 @ 75 hz The results were the same : CMBO never had the problem at any resolution. CMBB and CMAK always had the problem at every resolution. In my original bug report to NVIDIA I only mentionned the game title so I will try your advice and re-post a bug report with a link to the demo page. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brauer Duck Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 "When I try to run either CMbb or CMAK everything looks good until I get I rotate the display. When I do this the background, or part of the terain that is not part of the battle stays looks like it is moving very fast. I was wondering if anybody else has had this problem and If anybody had any sugestions on how to fix it." I had this problem with Vista 32, but it went away when I upgraded my NVidia driver for my 8400GS to level 162.22 - also did about 700 MB of Vista downloads/upgrades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK6583 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Ok - You're dealing with a dunce here. Just got a new computer with the Nvidia 8800 and I'm experiencing the exact same problem as the very first post. Can someone please explain to a dummy what this entails step by step: Troubleshooting note: I have tried different refresh rates I have tried turing all graphics options to off in my NVIDIA control panel. I have uninstalled my display driver and reinstalled. Current as of 2.20.07 I have updated all of my mother board drivers (Nvidia 590 chipset) I have updated my bios. I am not running SLI I have tried compatability mode I have defraged my hard drive. The NVIDIA control panel doesn't exactly match "refresh rates" or "all graphics off". I have gone there and turned everything "off" as best as I could determine. I have the latest Jul 2007 driver update installed. Since this computer is brand spanking new not sure about the 590 chipset or bios updates. Don't think I need to defrag just yet. What's "SLI"? What's "Compatibilty Mode"? Very frustrating - was looking forward to playing CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK6583 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Think I posted to the wrong NVIDIA forum: Ok - You're dealing with a dunce here. Just got a new computer with the Nvidia 8800 and I'm experiencing the exact same problem as the very first post. Can someone please explain to a dummy what this entails step by step: Troubleshooting note: I have tried different refresh rates I have tried turing all graphics options to off in my NVIDIA control panel. I have uninstalled my display driver and reinstalled. Current as of 2.20.07 I have updated all of my mother board drivers (Nvidia 590 chipset) I have updated my bios. I am not running SLI I have tried compatability mode I have defraged my hard drive. The NVIDIA control panel doesn't exactly match "refresh rates" or "all graphics off". I have gone there and turned everything "off" as best as I could determine. I have the latest Jul 2007 driver update installed. Since this computer is brand spanking new not sure about the 590 chipset or bios updates. Don't think I need to defrag just yet. What's "SLI"? What's "Compatibilty Mode"? Very frustrating - was looking forward to playing CMBB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 There isn't much we can do at this time since development of the older CMx1 based games has been over for years. Officially CMBO, BB and AK do not support Vista but they should still work. The 8800 series of cards and their drivers seem to be problem magnets and nVidia has been less enthusiastic (even with CMSF) to update their drivers to fix various bugs we have reported to them. All the same, I will see if Charles can have a look at the older games once he gets his new 8800 based system, but I can not promise anything because as I said above, technically we are no longer working on these older games. Madmatt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK6583 Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 Madmatt, Ok - Jeez why do Microsoft and NVIDIA have to make things so damn hard. I'm REALLY impressed though with your very quick response and it's comforting to know you (and Battlefront) are still out there for us! Respectfully, Bob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorCyco Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Damn, this sure is disappointing. I got a new machine and guess what? It has an nVidea 8600 video card and is having the exact same problem being described here. Fabulous. Guess three of my favorite games don't work. Anyone know if Shock Force has the same issue... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DesertFox Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Originally posted by renaldo: I'm not sure if this helps (or even whether BF are looking into this) but as an experiment I put CMBO onto my VISTA machine and it doesn't have the same issue - the issue is only with CMBB and CMAK. Is there any chance that helps you at BF diagnose a work round until the drivers are fixed by NVIDIA ? Hi! Same for me. 8800 GTS 640MB on Vista 32bit; Asus P5B-Deluxe MoBo (P965 Chipset), 4Gig Ram, Core2duo@3Ghz rig CM:BO works fine, BB and AK show this background problem. I hope Charles can fix this once he got his 8800 rig. cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renaldo Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 @ Brauer Duck Do you know which updates for Vista you installed ? I have only installed 938194 (which is 2.1 MB) and still get the same problem. I'm also using driver 162.22. @ MajorCyco I have the 8600GTS card and at least the CM:SF Demo works fine for me - but I don't have the full game so I can't vouch for that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liddell-Hart Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Awww great just awaiting delivery of a new comp with core 2 quad and an 8800 next week, and now I discover it's going to ruin CMBB. But it does work with multi core processors right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Z Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Is there any chance to run Combat Mission 2 & 3 in Software Rendering mode ? This could solve our problems with Vista and 8800 Cards (i think it is a problem with DX10). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DesertFox Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Originally posted by Commander Z: [...] our problems with Vista and 8800 Cards (i think it is a problem with DX10). No, it is most likely not a Vista or DX10 problem. On my second machine (Core2duo, Vista64bit and Nvidia 7950GT) everything works perfectly ok for BB and AK. No strange background/horizon problems whatsoever. The problem is most likely due to the 8800GTS doing something differently than the 7950GT does. I wonder, however, if there is a problem with 8800s in XP also ? cheers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Z Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I have got it to work yesterday! I have added a new application profile for CM 2 in the Nvidia control panel. There i set almost every feature to the highest quality. But with this settings scrolling and camera control is a little bit slow. The next time i will try to decrease the quality setting a little bit. Hope, there ist a compromise of a WORKING CM2, quality and interface performance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DesertFox Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Originally posted by Commander Z: I have got it to work yesterday! I have added a new application profile for CM 2 in the Nvidia control panel. There i set almost every feature to the highest quality. But with this settings scrolling and camera control is a little bit slow. The next time i will try to decrease the quality setting a little bit. Hope, there ist a compromise of a WORKING CM2, quality and interface performance. That did the trick! Both AK and BB work flawless now. Thanks a bunch All this with VISTA 32bit, a NVIDIA 8800 GTS 640Mb and Forceware 163.44. Thanks again! Great finding. cheers Helge [ August 24, 2007, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: The DesertFox ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kgsan Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Originally posted by Commander Z: I have got it to work yesterday! I have added a new application profile for CM 2 in the Nvidia control panel. There i set almost every feature to the highest quality. But with this settings scrolling and camera control is a little bit slow. The next time i will try to decrease the quality setting a little bit. Hope, there ist a compromise of a WORKING CM2, quality and interface performance. Unfortunately I don't think this is a universal fix, at least with CMBB and CMAK. (To be honest, I haven't played CMBO since CMBB came out.) I've tried adjusting universal settings as well as individual application profiles without any improvement. The uber clunky movement remains, although FWIW I don't have an 8800, my set up is: A desktop with Intel Core 2 Duo Processor with 2 Gig of RAM, a 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS, and running Windows Home Premium Vista 32bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuro Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 I have found that to run CM 2 and CMAK on Vista 64 with my 8800GTX I need to have Anti Aliasing Mode on Override Program setting and then X2 Antialiasing enabled in the driver. In my case its all thats required although both CM2 and CMAK run slowly. CMBO is fine and runs great. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Z Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Yes, you are right Nuro. It is only the antialiasing to be set. But CMBB runs so slow, that it is no real fun to play it. I hope i can find a solution for that. Although i bought CMSF and playing it at the moment, it would be nice to play CMBB too. Because it is a very different setting (as are CMBO and CMAK). So please post it if you find a solution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Originally posted by Nuro: I have found that to run CM 2 and CMAK on Vista 64 with my 8800GTX I need to have Anti Aliasing Mode on Override Program setting and then X2 Antialiasing enabled in the driver. In my case its all thats required although both CM2 and CMAK run slowly. CMBO is fine and runs great. I confirm, this fix do work, but the framerate remains rather low, almost unplayable. Time is now to find the proper settings to enhance performance. I admitt my lack of knowledge for most settings within the Nvidia control pannel though. Running on Vista (32b) AMD duo core 4000+ 2GB ram Nvidia 8600GT (Forceware 163.44 drivers) JV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renaldo Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I also now have CMAK and CMBB running ok with this fix. I'm sure we all have different views on acceptable speed but my experience with framerate / speed of running would seem to be different judging from the posts. For sure it runs noticeably slower than CMBO which runs fully smooth on my machine. However, I would still not describe it as running slow and for me is fully playable "with margin to spare". This while playing Ariete the Ram which has quite alot of forces involved. One thing I notice is that most of you seem to be on driver 163.44 while I'm still on 162.22. No idea if that could make a difference in speed. My system is Vista 32 bit (with update 938194 the only one I've added), Core2Duo 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, NVIDIA 8600 GTS. I have no idea about optimising settings but in the performance section I set it to the "maximum performance / minimum concern for energy saving" setting. If anyone wants to know other settings I have that might be a reason why it runs fast enough on my machine let me know what and where I find it and I'll be happy to look and post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The AA fix does with a 8600M GT as well, but the frame rates are really poor. Has any of you guys tried the new drivers yet (163.71)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarkus Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Latest I tried is 163.69 and I get 4 fps. I just realized I'm on DirectX 10 though. IIRC, this version is rather unhealthy for older games. But I also seem to recall rolling back to an earlier version isn't exactly simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinga44 Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Has anyone worked out the optimum settings in the NVIDIA Control Panel for the slow frame rate problem? If so can you post them for me please. I have a 8800GTS and Vista 64. CMAK works fine (the background doesn't spin any more), but as previously mentioned it doesn't run smoothly. Thanks, Dinga 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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