Wires Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 I was woundering if anyone could give me some tips on taking out tigers... I've been really strugling to even dent them and have tried all sorts of tactics in getting rid of them. once I ambushed one with two shermans... which it dealt with easily and knocked out both of... it then went on to survive an attack from a bazooka team to the rear... and finnaly survived a near point blank attack from another sherman... so in total it destroyed three shermans without even a scratch! any tips for tank busting in general will be muchos appreciated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Due to the high ground pressure of early Sherman models, attempting to outmaneuver the Tiger might be a difficult - if not impossible - task. Also the poorer 75/L38 lacks necessary punch. I'll suggest trying to purchase a more potent TD vehicle, and using the Shermans as lures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Drop it onto concrete. It worked for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Sherman != Sherman. The HVSS models are much better due to vastly improved maneuverability in difficult or medium ground. Obviously, different Sherman models have different guns but I assume you are aware of that. As for the bazooka, make sure you have the 1.01 patch which is supposed to make the Bazooka more potent on hit. Last but not least, the right thing to do would be to have the bazooka attack from the rear and the Sherman from the side at the same time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 You might consider playing with British forces. They have the 17pounder gun [77mm I think] which turns up as an ATG and in a slightly reduced form in the Archer and Firefly. If you search the forums you will find why Tigers hide from them!! The British also have their 6pounder [57mm] which even without tungsten is not to be messed with. This turns up as an ATG and is also in some British tanks. I believe it can penetrate the sides of Tigers at 500 metres And lastly they have the PIAT , equivalent to a bazooka but with more range [200metres] and can be used stealthily as it does not fire a rocket. It too can kill Tigers. US infantry tends to be more butch - but then if all your tanks are gone it may not be much fun playing on.! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by redwolf: Obviously, different Sherman models have different guns but I assume you are aware of that. Yes, if it was the 76mm model, he could take out a Tiger at any range. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 BTW if you read the thread on Churchills' , currently on this page, there is a link to armour penetration tables for British guns [the site covers other countries aswell]. So with normal shot APC 17 lb will go through Tiger frontal armour at 1000 metres! If you think thats good you will weep when you see the penetration with an APDS shell. Happy hunting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
752ndTank Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 I was woundering if anyone could give me some tips on taking out tigers...For a detailed account of how a Sherman can knock out a Tiger, see my web page: http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html A more detailed account appears in an article I wrote for After the Battle magazine (Issue 114). This is a story about how my father's Sherman knocked out a Tiger I from the side, at about 25-30 yards. The side armor over the fuel tanks was relatively thin, and the Shermans were more maneuverable than the Tiger. In addition, while the Tiger did have a hydraulic power assist, it was quite slow due to low gearing and the weight of the turret, plus it robbed power from the engine. The Tiger turret could be hand-cranked, but it required 720 turns of the traverse hand wheel to complete a 360 degree traverse. Slow turret traverse was a major liability of the Tiger. As a result, US tankers were trained that a flanking maneuver at close range was the best tactic. The article on my web page clearly illustrates an example of this tactic being put to use. CMAK's Knifefight in Cecina was developed on the basis of my web article. Bob 752nd Tank Battalion in WWII [ March 06, 2004, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: 752ndTank ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by 752ndTank: CMAK's Knifefight in Cecina was developed on the basis of my web article. Sure, if you have the "impregnable cover" of buildings, and the safe running grounds of town streets, then obviously you can outmaneuver the Tiger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walpurgis nacht Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by Bone_Vulture: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by redwolf: Obviously, different Sherman models have different guns but I assume you are aware of that. Yes, if it was the 76mm model, he could take out a Tiger at any range. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by dieseltaylor: You might consider playing with British forces. They have the 17pounder gun [77mm I think] which turns up as an ATG and in a slightly reduced form in the Archer and Firefly. If you search the forums you will find why Tigers hide from them!! The British also have their 6pounder [57mm] which even without tungsten is not to be messed with. This turns up as an ATG and is also in some British tanks. I believe it can penetrate the sides of Tigers at 500 metres And lastly they have the PIAT , equivalent to a bazooka but with more range [200metres] and can be used stealthily as it does not fire a rocket. It too can kill Tigers. US infantry tends to be more butch - but then if all your tanks are gone it may not be much fun playing on.! The 17pdr is a 76.2mm gun (3")and is the same whether mounted on a 25pdr carriage, a proper ATG carriage, a Firefly, an Archer or an Achilles. The gun termed as 77mm was a shortened version of the 17pdr (although I've seen it described as a H.V. 75mm - Peter Beale, "Death by Design") mounted on the Comet, used by 3 RTR in NWE in late '44 to the end of the war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by R Leete: Drop it onto concrete. It worked for me. Noooooooo!!!!! It can't be!!! I haven't opened the bottle yet...Do you want me to send it back? You might need it more than me after this... Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 That was ages ago, Gyrene. Things are just dandy. Drink up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by R Leete: Drop it onto concrete. It worked for me. That only works if you have 14 Inch Navel guns, as in CMBO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beady Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by Panzerman: That only works if you have 14 Inch Navel guns, as in CMBO. [/QB]Navel guns, huh? The mind boggles at the range of possible responses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargento Garcia Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 If you have not any tank left you should try with an engineer squad using their sachtel charges, but put all the chances in their side, buttoned tank from rear less than 40 m. away by nigth. I have a pict from AK which shows it. [ March 07, 2004, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Sargento Garcia ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Ah, beady. Beat me to it. Panzerman, I was refering to this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wires Posted March 7, 2004 Author Share Posted March 7, 2004 thanks people!... armed with this new knowlege I will be better able to deal with them.. I suppose the best possible way of learning it all is to simply study all of the armour types of all of the vehicles and know which unit is best at countering it... I'll have to try playing around with the secenario editor and testing out all the different guns etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Ah, well, I don't know if the Germans kept their tigers on sawhorses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by R Leete: That was ages ago, Gyrene. Things are just dandy. Drink up. I just looked up the post where you originally mentioned the incident....Turns out I eve replied to it! Are you sure you haven't sent me a bottle of that stuffr before? Or is my memory that bad Gyrene 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyBlademan Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by 752ndTank: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I was woundering if anyone could give me some tips on taking out tigers...For a detailed account of how a Sherman can knock out a Tiger, see my web page: http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html A more detailed account appears in an article I wrote for After the Battle magazine (Issue 114). Bob 752nd Tank Battalion in WWII </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRSutton Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 I would do what any sensible Allied tank commander would have done. Call in the Jabos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Wires: I was woundering if anyone could give me some tips on taking out tigers... Snip Be Vewy Vewy Carefuw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wires Posted March 8, 2004 Author Share Posted March 8, 2004 lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Wires: I was woundering if anyone could give me some tips on taking out tigers... I've been really strugling to even dent them and have tried all sorts of tactics in getting rid of them. once I ambushed one with two shermans... which it dealt with easily and knocked out both of... it then went on to survive an attack from a bazooka team to the rear... and finnaly survived a near point blank attack from another sherman... so in total it destroyed three shermans without even a scratch! any tips for tank busting in general will be muchos appreciated Smoke. Blind him with arty and flank him with the Shermans. Of course, life's difficult if he has two Tigers. Then again, the US made lots of Shermans... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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