Hans Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Yep, anybody have any idea what was in a June 1940 13th Motorized Division Butchery Platoon? On June 18th 1940 they got into a little tangle with some French Armoured cars Yes I'm serious. TIA Hans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Schlächtereizug (a.k.a. Schlächtereikompanie but actually the same unit, interestingly) contained 1 officer, 1 Beamte (the veterinary), 42 other ranks and was equipped with 1 Pkw (car), 6 Lkw (trucks), 1 motorcycle solo and one with sidecar. Combat equipment? Well, there was a sausage stuffing machine, a smokery, of course several mechanised butchery masks, cutting machines for the meat and even a separate spice truck. And so on. Capacity was daily kill of 15 cattle or 240 sheep or 120 pigs, and they could produce up to 3000 kg sausage a day, beside the fresh meat delivered. A lot of focus on sausage because that's what they did with everything "else" on the beasts except the hooves, horns and eyes. It all ran on 10Kw machines. The normal work produced so much steam and smoke they often had to work at night to not get spotted from afar. The men had rifles, the officer had a pistol, the vet was unarmed. Proper adressing of the men would be Soldatenschlachtern. Cheerio Dandelion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Originally posted by Dandelion: Proper adressing of the men would be Soldatenschlachtern. Cheerio Dandelion Aside from the smell, how would anyone know? Would they have worn the light blue waffenfarbe of the supply troops? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Yes exactly, the Hellblau of the Rückwärtigen dienste. Except the vet. The butchertroops tended to wear these telltale bloodied protective covers, and judging from photos they appear to have worn the white fatigues mostly, so I think there's a good chance you'd spot them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hmm, we laugh today at civilian contractors going to Iraq, but I imagine there was a Beamten or two (you mention him being unarmed in the butcher platoon in 1940, I am willing to bet many armed themselves in Russia - even Padres did so there) that must have been terrified about serving on the Russian Front. It's interesting, and sad, how current events can give a whole new perspective on historical ones. As bad as these Iraqi terrorists are and have been portrayed in the news, to those same Beamten the stories about the Russians were probably much worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by Dandelion: Schlächtereizug (a.k.a. Schlächtereikompanie but actually the same unit, interestingly) contained 1 officer, 1 Beamte (the veterinary), 42 other ranks and was equipped with 1 Pkw (car), 6 Lkw (trucks), 1 motorcycle solo and one with sidecar. Combat equipment? Well, there was a sausage stuffing machine, a smokery, of course several mechanised butchery masks, cutting machines for the meat and even a separate spice truck. And so on. Capacity was daily kill of 15 cattle or 240 sheep or 120 pigs, and they could produce up to 3000 kg sausage a day, beside the fresh meat delivered. A lot of focus on sausage because that's what they did with everything "else" on the beasts except the hooves, horns and eyes. It all ran on 10Kw machines. The normal work produced so much steam and smoke they often had to work at night to not get spotted from afar. The men had rifles, the officer had a pistol, the vet was unarmed. Proper adressing of the men would be Soldatenschlachtern. Cheerio Dandelion Thanks Dandelion, yep the # of guys and vehicles is just what I needed! You have to wonder how many times that unit got thrown into the fray when things got tough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Probably rarely, Hans, and in 1940, never. I saw a photo of a bakery company once, half of them had Iron Cross ribbons on. From the First World War.... They were no spring chickens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Ah, all my prejudices confirmed. UK went to war drinking tea, Germans went to war eating sausages... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopard_2 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Well, sausage isn't a bad idea really (if I may say so as a German): if the quality of the "input" is low to begin with, you can't really tell from looks. Bad taste can be somewhat covered with spices. A sausage that has been lying in the dirt can be cleaned. Roasting is easily done. And it would be "Soldatenschlachter" (no trailing "n"). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 What other game system has sausage grogs? and the Newfie says "once you gut em and skin em, there ain't much left" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 The trailing n for plural address, as in an officer addressing the unit. Drop the n for singular address. The Vets did arm themselves in the East. Veterinärkompanie 45 deflected a Soviet attack on september 24th 1941 near Kiew. Stabsveterinär Dr Kirchmair was decorated for leading the defence. However, he and all of his vets were casualties, though not all fatal. But aside from such drastic instances, the bangs coming from a vet would hopefully have been confined to Donnerbalken. Sausage is underrated. Except the Salami, it gets all the cred these days. Cheerio Dandelion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Sausage would be much easier to carry for Landsers in the field, the Italians had a lot of trouble with fettuchini alfredo in North Africa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by Dandelion: The butchertroops tended to wear these telltale bloodied protective covers, and judging from photos they appear to have worn the white fatigues mostly, so I think there's a good chance you'd spot them You think Andrew could make a uniform Mod for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by Sequoia: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dandelion: The butchertroops tended to wear these telltale bloodied protective covers, and judging from photos they appear to have worn the white fatigues mostly, so I think there's a good chance you'd spot them You think Andrew could make a uniform Mod for this? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by Dandelion: The trailing n for plural address, as in an officer addressing the unit. Drop the n for singular address. The Vets did arm themselves in the East. Veterinärkompanie 45 deflected a Soviet attack on september 24th 1941 near Kiew. Stabsveterinär Dr Kirchmair was decorated for leading the defence. However, he and all of his vets were casualties, though not all fatal. But aside from such drastic instances, the bangs coming from a vet would hopefully have been confined to Donnerbalken. Sausage is underrated. Except the Salami, it gets all the cred these days. Cheerio Dandelion Well I'll see if I can restore the honor of the wurst making club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewTF Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sequoia: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dandelion: The butchertroops tended to wear these telltale bloodied protective covers, and judging from photos they appear to have worn the white fatigues mostly, so I think there's a good chance you'd spot them You think Andrew could make a uniform Mod for this? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 With onions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Are you a Swabian? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopard_2 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Originally posted by Dandelion: [QB] The trailing n for plural address, as in an officer addressing the unit. Drop the n for singular address. Nope. It's one Soldatenschlachter, multiple Soldatenschlachter. One of the many cozy exceptions in German grammar. (Trust me, I'm a native German speaker. ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Presumably sausage grogs will know if the soldier-slaughterers also minced up the horses? Please tell me that there was a motorised distillery schnapps making platoon as well, the feared soldatenkartoffeldestillierend 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Another great thread from food ....celery was good too. : ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Originally posted by Leopard_2: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dandelion: [QB] The trailing n for plural address, as in an officer addressing the unit. Drop the n for singular address. Nope. It's one Soldatenschlachter, multiple Soldatenschlachter. One of the many cozy exceptions in German grammar. (Trust me, I'm a native German speaker. ) </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheer Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Originally posted by Hans: [/qb]ah a question then on an oblique subject, what would be your understanding of the word 'Totseigen' It has a modern meaning in business but what might it have meant in WWII time frame? [/QB] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopard_2 Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Sich totsiegen - to win yourself to death. Look up "Pyrrhus". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Or maybe it comes from Tootsie? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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