Sven Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 How do I defend myself against air strikes? I just lost an entire platoon of T34/85s to a Henschel 123. I tried to place the tanks near houses, next to woods, etc, but to no help. Is there a way to defend yourself? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 AA guns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Is that the only way, I don't have any? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 It seems that putting them into scattered trees help. Only the small AA guns work, so don't buy the 85mm, and some vehicles have flexible machine guns that that shoot back at airplanes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 If all else fails use sacrificial goat trucks parked in the open 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Sorry I meant to elaborate some but had to actually go do a little work... AA guns, flak vehicles, and certain tanks with MGs (coaxial?) are the only ways to combat air strikes. I belive the more firepower you have shooting at the plane the less likely it'll score any hits and the more likely it'll leave early, though I may have that wrong. Usually it isn't a bad idea to grab a 20mm AA gun or two. They are helpful if there is an air strike and if not they can be used against infantry. If you are on the attack grab an AA vehicle to keep up with the advance and it'll also be ready to defend your men if an enemy plane should appear. In my experience putting your vehicles in scattered trees doesn't have much of a difference. It might but it seems the AI knows that the vehicles are there no matter what. Your best bet is to pray to the CM Gods that the planes do a little friendly fire instead of dropping on you. Rarely does my opponent's planes miss my guys but I sure have a lot of luck with my planes dropping bombs on my tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Are my family photos on the internet ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leopard_2 Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Originally posted by BigDork: AA guns, flak vehicles, and certain tanks with MGs (coaxial?) are the only ways to combat air strikes. "Coaxial" refers to MG's that aim in the same direction as the main gun. You probably mean top-mounted MG's. (Sorry I can't come up with the correct phrases, my version is localized... ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Wicky may sound like he's kidding (get the pun: kid=baby goat?) but a truck parked in a lonely corner of the map works wonders. Planes LOVE bombing trucks, I guess under the theory that they'll bomb first what they can recognize best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 everytime a plane begins a strafing run my 88s try to bring their guns to bear on the plane but it's simply too fast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilsun Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I wonder if Tiger's make same things with their 8.8 post-flak guns , when the plane appears 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDork Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by Leopard_2: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BigDork: AA guns, flak vehicles, and certain tanks with MGs (coaxial?) are the only ways to combat air strikes. "Coaxial" refers to MG's that aim in the same direction as the main gun. You probably mean top-mounted MG's. (Sorry I can't come up with the correct phrases, my version is localized... ) </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Yeah, I knew about the truck part. Somewhat unrealistic, though. Also, since my friend and I only (so far - since CM1) play scenarios, we can't choose units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A. Miles Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Yeah, the truck thing is pretty "cheesy". I hate trucks anyway, those dang drivers panic and run away from everything. The game I'm playing right now, if the stupid drivers would keep going they would be safe, instead they've thrown it into reverse and are being destroyed. It's a rather narrow window of death, and they just stopped right in the middle of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 I lost a gun once, to a couple of runaway truck drivers. My friend moved them within pistol range, and instead of reaching for their own handguns, my gun crew got slaughterd behind that AT-gun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A. Miles Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Sven, Wow, that's pretty impressive. I need drivers like that! Do you know which division they were from? Is there any chance of having a few transferred to my command??? My drivers do not display enough national patriotism. I'm just about ready to line up all my drivers and execute every last one of them... They were supposed to rush ahead and secure the town, but now that all the trucks are destroyed or in full reverse, my infantry must proceed on foot. More on topic: Does the experience rating for aircraft greatly increase/decrease their effectiveness? I've never played many games with aircraft, but I can't seem to notice a difference in their performance, no matter what the experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon-fodder Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I hate aircraft:( I just don't like having things which are so uncontrollable, and very random. I've had very little success with AA guns, since its so hard to cover a large enough area with them to protect everything. I suppose it might be worth it, but to be honest, when I hear the roar of aircraft overhead, I just race my tanks in opposite directions and into cover like scattered trees. Hope that helps a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 AA guns may not 'shoot down' as many aircraft as we'd like but they do a pretty good job of decreasing the plane's accuracy. I've seen (heard) planes abort straffing runs when AA opens up, and I've seen bombs that would've otherwise destroyed my tank land way off in the next field because an AA gun was targetting the plane. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigduke6 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Sven, I think there is no perfect solution, but in general the more lead you can send skywards, the less of a pain aircraft are. I just got finished playing the Boots and Tracks Death of the Titans Scenario (and a lot of fun it was too) and I think I am probably not giving things away by saying that I was Germans with a bunch of panzers, I had a Wirbelwind (4 x 20mm) There also was an airplane buzzing around, and since it was 1944 I figured odds that was the Luftwaffe were pretty low, so I parked the AA vehicle as far away from the action as possible. A couple of turns later a Hurricane indeed made a pass and attempted to bomb the Wirbelwind, which was fairly well hidden (I thought) but at the same time ignored several other armored vehicles. The bombs missed big time, more than 500 meters, althogh an unlucky infantry squad got bracketed and died outright. The Wirbelwind shot back, obviously. So far so good. Eventually a Sherman popped the Wirbelwind, and two turns after that ANOTHER Hurrican dropped two eggs on one of my main fire positions, taking out one panzer, immobilizing a second, and killing the TC in a third. (They were pretty close together.) Lesson: If you have AA pointing towards the sky, the airplanes tend to leave your other stuff alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul AU Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I just lost an entire platoon of T34/85s to a Henschel 123. Really? My Henschels only seem to be a threat to large empty fields of wheat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I just lost an entire platoon of T34/85s to a Henschel 123. Really? My Henschels only seem to be a threat to large empty fields of wheat ------------------------------------------------- Really? My Henschels only seem to be a threat to my SPW's 250's fully laden with PzGrenadiers! DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Originally posted by Wicky: If all else fails use sacrificial goat trucks parked in the open You need to keep them in range of the Shepard HQ or their effectiveness will drop 50%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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