Jack Carr Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Anyone have any information on what was the most successful tank buster for Axis and Allies? I read that the German Stug was responsible for more Allied tank kills than any other German AFV. Not sure if that is true or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 It is true by absolute kills, but I am not so sure for kills per built StuG. Tiger 1s are maybe better in the kills/built-vehicle, but the comparision in unfair because a Tiger was more likely to be repaired after it was damaged. If you switch to a model of kills/running-hour-of-AFV-model you will probably get out Nashorns, but not so much for high number of kills as for short lifespan Panthers are probably out of the race, but the Hetzer may not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I think for the Allies you would have to go with the Sherman. There were just so many more of them than anything else. In the West at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Infantry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THumpre Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Close Air Support 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by THumpre: Close Air Support Err no. Even during Normandy CAS never accounted for more than 10% of German Tanks/StuGs destroyed. Soviet investigation only credited 5% losses to CAS. Biggest tank buster for German tanks were their own crews that would abandon and destroy their own tanks when cut off and out of fuel. AP shot and shell generally accounted for 30% of German tank losses. [ August 22, 2003, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Bastables ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tittles Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Allies: best tank buster would be lack of German spares/recovery vehicles. Axis: something coming out of a 75mm tube of some length or another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobearSun Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Wouldn't the best Allied tank killer be the T-34? RobearSun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by THumpre: Close Air Support It's funny, but when he said "Tank buster", I immediately thought of the P-38. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 I can't help but notice that Anti Tank Guns/ Artillery has not been mentioned here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 My vote would go with the 88' Flak/ATG variants. Perhaps maybe even the Pak 40 as they were more numerous and a very good Anti Tank asset. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 While I don't have any figures on hand it's my guess the PaK40 would rank really high in here. The 88's were not as numerous but it seems to have the reputation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by Boo_Radley: It's funny, but when he said "Tank buster", I immediately thought of the P-38. Really? I had a hard enough time opening a can of beanie-weenies with a P-38 --- I imagine it would take me most of the afternoon to pry the lid off a Mk IV with one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auggy Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by von Lucke: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Boo_Radley: It's funny, but when he said "Tank buster", I immediately thought of the P-38. Really? I had a hard enough time opening a can of beanie-weenies with a P-38 --- I imagine it would take me most of the afternoon to pry the lid off a Mk IV with one. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by Sir Augustus: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by von Lucke: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Boo_Radley: It's funny, but when he said "Tank buster", I immediately thought of the P-38. Really? I had a hard enough time opening a can of beanie-weenies with a P-38 --- I imagine it would take me most of the afternoon to pry the lid off a Mk IV with one. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Got some British rations once with a much larger P38 than the US version. We called it the B17. Struck fear in many a tanker's eyes with those. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalin's Organ Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Yeah - allied tankers mainly! AT guns killed more tanksthan anythign else - the Pak 40 was the most common German AT gun, the 6 pdr and 45mm probably the most common Allied ones. T34's were mainly used against infantry, with the preferred Russian AT armour being SU's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Axis on East Front : Stuka ?? Allied on East Front : The terrible road conditions i guess Monty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFE Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Panzerfausts: Several million of them were made. Very effective, very lethal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by FFE: Panzerfausts: Several million of them were made. Very effective, very lethal. Actually, no. Panzerfausts never came close to being the dominant tank killer. According to Zaloga's RAH, even in 1945 as the Germans were running out of almost everything else and the Russians were getting embroiled in heavy street fighting in Berlin and elsewhere, AT Rockets of all types (both PzF and PzS) only rose to at most 25% of all kills against the Russians. Previous to 1945, total kills from AT rockets were substantially lower than this. The chart is listing KOs by tube, so it's impossible to determine what exact weapon is getting all the kills, but in 1944 & 1945 75mm & 88mm Guns are scoring the most kills. I don't have figures for the West Front for Panzerfausts, but I've seen them and they weren't any higher. PzFs were a major advance in IAT firepower, and they certainly gave the German Infantryman a capability that his Allied opposite did not have, but a wonder weapon they were not. Cheers, YD [ August 23, 2003, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: YankeeDog ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 The big thing to remember about Infantry AT assets of all types is that they are very short ranged. While it is possible to get some spectacular results a battalion of Infantry armed with AT rockets isn't going to kill a battalion of tanks. The tanks may take losses but they have the mobility and armor to manuever away from the trap and then shell the area. For the Infantry this isn't an option. Because of their range, however, AT guns and other tanks can kill in great numbers regardless of how the enemy manuevers. If the enemy has to go somewhere he doesn't always have the option to call something else to take out any long range AT assets. Often the tanks have to do it themselves which usually means heavy casualties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Weapons don't kill tanks, men kill tanks. Smokey Smith, VC was a good tank buster. Günter Vivienz (sp?), with 20+ kills to his credit, was much better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by sgtgoody (esq): Got some British rations once with a much larger P38 than the US version. We called it the B17. Struck fear in many a tanker's eyes with those. LOL; if nobody else got it, at least I did! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Weapons don't kill tanks, men kill tanks. Smokey Smith, VC was a good tank buster. Günter Vivienz (sp?), with 20+ kills to his credit, was much better. Well you're half right anyway. Men with weapons kill tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 In World War II the Soviets had no qualms about enlisting (conscripting?) women to serve as well. [ August 23, 2003, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: Gaylord Focker ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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