Mikael Red Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I just want to notify the makers of the game and the players about my opinion on the "Human Wave" order present in CMBB. I think this command/term has Nothing to do with history/battle/reality, I think it only is a Racist slogan. Racist because it is directly aimed at Russians (Soviets), Chinese, Japanese etc, in words of Nazi and Western/American propaganda "Subhumans"! Why do I think so? Didn't Soviets, Chinese, Japanese used costly massed infantry attacks in war? Yes, they did. But so did Everybody! What great bull that Germans/Americans didn't do dumb things because at that time they weren't capable of doing anything else or because they were stupid! WW1 was an entire "Human Wave" war! Omaha Beach was one big Human Wave! And Americans didn't stop at Omaha either, read some diaries you will find mention of tons of bad decisions made by American/British/German commanders. Yet, when the Westerners get slaughtered like cattle, they are represented like Heroes. The Easterners, on the other hand, are represented like hordes of mindless bums rushing like buffaloes over some cliff. I understand this goes deeper into human psyche (an example of these Freudian Archetype can be seen in many Hollywood movies, like "Lord of the Ring: Two Towers"), but I think it's greatly hypocritical to remove Waffen SS for the German market and then reinforce residual Nazi stereotypes by such small things like this "Human Wave" term. Today in the West "Human Wave" is still greatly associated with "subhuman" Russians, Chinese, Japanese and so on. How can we then claim that we got over our Racism/Residual Nazism??? These hurtful stereotypes are still deeply rooted in us! Finally, why is this command even needed in the game? I don't see it having any purpose, but if somebody does, explain to me. In any case, I do not want to see the term "Human Wave" in a computer game for many reasons, not least that so many brainwashed youths learn more stereotypes from these. P.S. I am a proud owner of a pirated/downloaded version of CMBB. I wouldn't want to contribute to this biased cause, not until Changes are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PondScum Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Originally posted by Mikael Red: P.S. I am a proud owner of a pirated/downloaded version of CMBB. I wouldn't want to contribute to this biased cause, not until Changes are made.Uh. Probably not a good thing to admit. Buh-bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobVarak Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Hi, Mom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 On top of it all, he spelled "Heydrich" incorrectly when he typed in his screen name... Incidentally, if little kiddies are learning history from playing computer games, we are in deeper trouble than I thought. Most people get hooked on CM, and then go out and like, buy actual books n' stuff cause they want to learn more. [ February 05, 2003, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Michael Dorosh ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 BFC please lock this up before someone makes a mistake and tries to give this moron a serious answer. BTW it doesn't say much for your thought process when you admit to stealing a product to the people who made it, on their own board, when they know where you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 "Human Wave" was used long before the Russians, so it isn't racist in that regard. "Human Wave" isn't stupid if it works. And finally, "Goodbye Pirate!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaja smert Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 As one would say in my native tongue: "Meitä on moneen junaan ja jotkut jäävät jo asemalle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn2002 Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I think this guy is a mindless bum, rushing like a buffalo over a cliff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Perhaps all of the 'biases' and problems are yours... I don't recall anyone mentioning here that any of the Soviet nationalities, Chinese or Japanese were 'subhuman'. This is your own bias or that of others. It's not a bias general held by anyone at BFC/BTS or most thinking people on this board. Berating people you don't know for your own biases doesn't excuse you from committing your own crime of pirating. Sorry, there's no way of justifying yourself on this forum. So long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Captain Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Oh boy, a thief is trying to disucss morals with us. Ain't that interesting. From your post I can concude: 1. Your undestanding of the conflict on the Eastern Front can be summed up in one word -> Flawed 2. You are a total waste of space on this Forum beacuse you are a thief. 3. You haven't a clue about how wrong you are concerning our "bias" against Soviet forces. In fact, we have done more to dispell the "racist" myths of Soviet, Romanian, Hungarian, and Italian forces than probably any wargame company ever. Based on #2, you won't be posting here any more. Buh-buh putz. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortlund Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Originally posted by Belaja smert: As one would say in my native tongue: "Meitä on moneen junaan ja jotkut jäävät jo asemalle." "My Hovercraft is full of eels" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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