Lieutenant Ash Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/world-on-the-brink-as-north-korea-sends-cannon-fodder-troops-to-ukraine/ar-BB1oUGyc?ocid=socialshare&pc=NMTS&cvid=262c7cfe3b644c9a993567092a80c4db&ei=10 North Korean meat for the grinder? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesmonkey Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Lieutenant Ash said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/world-on-the-brink-as-north-korea-sends-cannon-fodder-troops-to-ukraine/ar-BB1oUGyc?ocid=socialshare&pc=NMTS&cvid=262c7cfe3b644c9a993567092a80c4db&ei=10 North Korean meat for the grinder? https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3817329/pentagon-press-secretary-maj-gen-pat-ryder-holds-a-press-briefing/ Quote Q: A quick follow-up – North Korea's Central Military Commission announced that North Korea would join forces with the Russian military. And as part of the North Korea and Russia military alliance, the North Korean Army engineer unit would be dispatched to Donetsk, Ukraine, which remains occupied by Russia. It will be dispatched as early as next month. How do you assess about the rapid situation in which North Korea and Russia are moving toward Ukraine? GEN. RYDER: So, just to clarify, you're asking what do I think about Russia assigning North Korean forces to the battlefield in Ukraine? Q: North Korean Army. GEN. RYDER: Yeah, sending North — yeah, I mean, that's certainly something to keep an eye on. I think that if I were North Korean military personnel management, I would be questioning my choices on sending my forces to be cannon fodder in an illegal war against Ukraine. And we've seen the kinds of casualties that Russian forces – so – but again, something that we'll keep an eye on. I suppose if they actually did engineering stuff, it would provide valuable experience to the North Korean military. On the other hand, western nations could do the same for Ukraine with equal justification. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) I doubt the west would send engineering units anywhere near the front line even in that scenario. Would settle for the reopening of Western training centers in western Ukraine tho. This is the sign on payment it refers to below. It's essential moves to strangle the Russian economy continue, and efforts to enhance depletion of Russian manpower on the front. Continued backing to ensure Ukraine can conserve manpower is essential as well. It's time to pledge the entire M113 fleet remaining in operational and reserve capacity in the U.S to Ukraine! (I kid but only partially) Edit: and those MRAPs on loan to police depts in America, the majority should be recalled and sent to Ukraine. Quote Given all the propaganda about how Russia’s vast manpower resources mean that it can feed its people into the Ukrainian meatgrinder forever, the skyrocketing price of new recruits might come as a surprise. 1/2 The reality is that Russia has a huge manpower problem that is steadily growing worse. It can’t keep up inflating the wages, which means that it will have to resort to increasingly draconian measures including new open mobilization, something Putin has sought to avoid. 2/2 Edited June 26 by FancyCat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, cesmonkey said: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3817329/pentagon-press-secretary-maj-gen-pat-ryder-holds-a-press-briefing/ I suppose if they actually did engineering stuff, it would provide valuable experience to the North Korean military. On the other hand, western nations could do the same for Ukraine with equal justification. More likely is those guys will be going home in bags and the only thing they'll learn is when you give troops to Russia - don't expect them back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 15 minutes ago, FancyCat said: I doubt the west would send engineering units anywhere near the front line even in that scenario. Would settle for the reopening of Western training centers in western Ukraine tho. This is the sign on payment it refers to below. It's essential moves to strangle the Russian economy continue, and efforts to enhance depletion of Russian manpower on the front. Continued backing to ensure Ukraine can conserve manpower is essential as well. It's time to pledge the entire M113 fleet remaining in operational and reserve capacity in the U.S to Ukraine! (I kid but only partially) Edit: and those MRAPs on loan to police depts in America, the majority should be recalled and sent to Ukraine. This fits in with my gut instinct about the recent apparent lull of meat assaults. It was also reported by some source, repeated here, that recruitment pools were once again starting to show signs of drying up. Bumping the pay (again) is an indicator of just that. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 9 minutes ago, sburke said: More likely is those guys will be going home in bags and the only thing they'll learn is when you give troops to Russia - don't expect them back. NK can do this sort of thing very easily because casualties will never be a problem for that regime. If Ukraine killed every single last NK soldier that set foot in Ukraine, in North Korea the headlines would read about the glorious victories their soldiers have achieved on their way to Berlin. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 We have heard and seen good reports about Bradleys performance on Ukraine, maybe I missed it, how are Strykers doing? According to https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/like_in_a_videogame_says_the_ukrainian_gunner_operating_american_stryker_ifv-10107.html Pros are very mobile, remotely controlled gun, useful for evec or transport for rotations, as well as having more repairability, cons, not used in defensive actions due to the lack of firepower in armament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbindc Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, Lieutenant Ash said: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/world-on-the-brink-as-north-korea-sends-cannon-fodder-troops-to-ukraine/ar-BB1oUGyc?ocid=socialshare&pc=NMTS&cvid=262c7cfe3b644c9a993567092a80c4db&ei=10 North Korean meat for the grinder? "The South Korean defense industry just entered the chat." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) Guess it puts into context why the U.S is beginning to change it's policy preventing contractors in Ukraine, North Koreans about to be turned into mince meat by ATACMS. Not gonna be a lot of complaining about escalation by Russia or pro-Russian activists in the West, by the evil West when you have north Koreans building trenches. Edited June 26 by FancyCat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 58 minutes ago, billbindc said: "The South Korean defense industry just entered the chat." The appropriate response to this is finally allowing the Ukrainians to stand up a new version of the Flying Tigers, and get a hundred F-16s in the field by the end of summer instead a dozen, maybe, barely. Edited June 26 by dan/california 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ArmouredTopHat Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Really interesting view from a Russian Mobik. It amazes me how the Russian military operates sometimes. I feel like its a stones throw away from just ceasing to work properly. Really interesting about the security / military police setups in the rear as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesmonkey Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 More threats for South Korea: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 minutes ago, cesmonkey said: More threats for South Korea: Given that North Korea ALREADY has nukes, I can't figure out what Russia thinks it can do that would be so scary. The U.S. and Japan have cause to worry about better North Korean missiles, Seoul is in range and always has been. Also China is not interested in a second Korean War, but with fallout, and they do get a vote here. It really seems like this is straight up strategic desperation from Putin. He gets the artillery shells he was already getting, and some NK meat for the grinder, Ukraine gets the South Korean defense industrial base. This is not a good trade for Putin. In fact, it is so bad I am coming around to the theory that Putin's whole NK adventure is a sign of serious cracks in the Russian regime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 5 minutes ago, dan/california said: Given that North Korea ALREADY has nukes, I can't figure out what Russia thinks it can do that would be so scary. The U.S. and Japan have cause to worry about better North Korean missiles, Seoul is in range and always has been. Also China is not interested in a second Korean War, but with fallout, and they do get a vote here. It really seems like this is straight up strategic desperation from Putin. He gets the artillery shells he was already getting, and some NK meat for the grinder, Ukraine gets the South Korean defense industrial base. This is not a good trade for Putin. In fact, it is so bad I am coming around to the theory that Putin's whole NK adventure is a sign of serious cracks in the Russian regime. I am waiting for South Korea to send an Engineer unit to Kyiv. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, The_Capt said: I am waiting for South Korea to send an Engineer unit to Kyiv. Setting up a massive factory for 155 shells in Poland in ~three months would actually be more of a statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyCat Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Eh, setting up production is good and all, but i am unsure how long it takes to spin up production on a new site, vs just churning out shell after shell from existing South Korean production facilities and being able to directly ship them to Ukraine. Would settle for South Korea (and lets not forget Japan) is in the process of seeking to loosen legal restrictions against supplying armed combatants, I would like to see North Korea, whom both consider a enemy and seek restrictions on, tilt the scales to allow direct supply to Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 30 minutes ago, dan/california said: Setting up a massive factory for 155 shells in Poland in ~three months would actually be more of a statement. Looks like 105mm might be more plausible: https://www.csis.org/analysis/can-south-korean-105-millimeter-ammunition-rescue-ukraine#:~:text=Indeed%2C some publicly available reports,155 mm shells per year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 https://www.reddit.com/r/DroneCombat/comments/1doy7dm/ua_93rd_mechanized_brigades_signum_drone_team/ More infra red drones=fewer supply trucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraft Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, sburke said: More likely is those guys will be going home in bags and the only thing they'll learn is when you give troops to Russia - don't expect them back. Many of the remarks here remind me much about the 'using prisoners is actually a weakness in manpower' rethoric I heard in 2022/3. But these NK body bags trade with body bags on the other side, while russias 1st and 2nd class citizens enjoy another postponement of real consequences to the slaughter they support. And China must've given their approval. With the 'airtight' sanctions, it also opens the way for more covert support of equiptment that is funelled through NK. Edited June 26 by Kraft 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letter from Prague Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 28 minutes ago, Kraft said: Many of the remarks here remind me much about the 'using prisoners is actually a weakness in manpower' rethoric I heard in 2022/3. But these NK body bags trade with body bags on the other side, while russias 1st and 2nd class citizens enjoy another postponement of real consequences to the slaughter they support. And China must've given their approval. With the 'airtight' sanctions, it also opens the way for more covert support of equiptment that is funelled through NK. Yeah, it doesn't have to last long. Only until West gives up support, which might be as soon as this November: Exclusive: Trump handed plan to halt US military aid to Kyiv unless it talks peace with Moscow https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-reviews-plan-halt-us-military-aid-ukraine-unless-it-negotiates-peace-with-2024-06-25/?utm_source=reddit.com I think Putin sees the light at the end of the tunnel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 29 minutes ago, Kraft said: This reminds me much about the 'using prisoners is actually a weakness in manpower' rethoric I heard in 2022/3. But these NK body bags trade with body bags on the other side, while russias 1st and 2nd class citizens enjoy another postponement of real consequences to the slaughter they support. I seriously doubt NK will supply enough to impact Russia's troop shortage. Language issues alone preclude them from doing much. Coordination in Russian forces is already bad. Imagine a Korean unit trying to coordinate pretty much anything with Russian leadership. They'd be better off assigning them to civilian labor jobs to free up Russians to send to the front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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