Armorgunner Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) The US Army are testing a new, very mobile. Long shooting artillery for their Stryker brigades! Some info here: Israeli, Serbian, And Swedish Self-Propelled Howitzers Are Headed To A U.S. Army Shoot-Off (thedrive.com) The combatants are: Archer (Sweden): Archer Artillery System - Wikipedia : ATMOS (Israel): ATMOS 2000 - Wikipedia : Caesar (France): CAESAR self-propelled howitzer - Wikipedia : Brutus (USA): No wiki unfortunatly. Only this: Brutus 155mm Mobile Howitzer System, United States of America (army-technology.com) And unfortunatly nothing in video/youtube 2020-2021 NORA B-52 M21 (Serbia): Nora B-52 - Wikipedia : Please look at the linked Wikipedia, above each combatant, and not just the Youtube video. The tests at Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona, is almost finnished! Interesting to see the verdict! Edited October 25, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Interesting that they are seeking an unarmored system. The Germans went through a lot of trouble to put some armor around their Panzerhaubitze 2000. Iraq style random incoming mortar fire, single 122mm rockets and in the future suicide drones might make armor around your combat pieces desirable - even if they are away from deliberate enemy contact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Redwolf said: Interesting that they are seeking an unarmored system. The Germans went through a lot of trouble to put some armor around their Panzerhaubitze 2000. Iraq style random incoming mortar fire, single 122mm rockets and in the future suicide drones might make armor around your combat pieces desirable - even if they are away from deliberate enemy contact. Unarmored system??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireship4 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 If it is unarmored (as in not more than small arms) perhaps it is to stay in line with the weight of other vehicles in a SBCT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I don't think they are smallarms safe, except that you can order the French one with armored cabin. The weight still seems to be 30 tons against a stryker's 20 tons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireship4 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) That may still be within a critereon such as "can cross this type of bridge", which they will want all vehicles in an SBCT to meet. The lack of armour may be a tradeoff as the weapon/ammunition is heavy already. Edited October 25, 2021 by fireship4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Redwolf said: I don't think they are smallarms safe, except that you can order the French one with armored cabin. The weight still seems to be 30 tons against a stryker's 20 . Edited October 26, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Redwolf said: I don't think they are smallarms safe, except that you can order the French one with armored cabin. The weight still seems to be 30 tons against a stryker's 20 tons. Archer. at least. Has a smallarms safe cabin, and engine compartment. And I belive the same is available for the rest. Mobility, to keep up with the Strykers is a priority. Together with high ROF, long range, and fast shoot and scoot times. Edited October 26, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amadeupname Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 12 hours ago, Redwolf said: Interesting that they are seeking an unarmored system. The Germans went through a lot of trouble to put some armor around their Panzerhaubitze 2000. Iraq style random incoming mortar fire, single 122mm rockets and in the future suicide drones might make armor around your combat pieces desirable - even if they are away from deliberate enemy contact. From the way things are going across the military, they seem to emphasize speed over everything else. That and it's also still being tested, the final product may end up looking completely different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 58 minutes ago, amadeupname said: and it's also still being tested, the final product may end up looking completely different. The gun itself, would probably be the same. Since the army want a mature system, ready for serial production. But the Carrier could be of US design, or completly different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) And dont forget that politics is involved. I know sweden is looking at the M142 HIMARS rocket artillery, as divisional artillery. As a counter purchase, if the Archer should be selected! And Sweden has also agreed, to set up 2 regiments, with 2 light infantery battalions each. As ambushprotection for the US marine brigade, heading for Trondheim in Norway in case of need. The first of these regiments ( I13 dalaregementet) just Opend up. The marine brigade has all heavy equipment stored in climate controlled caves in trondelagen near Trondheim. If the marine brigade goes through Sweden, heading to swedish eastern ports. For departure to the baltic states. The four light infantery battalions mission, is to secure the way to the eastern ports from the Norwegian border. Edited October 26, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Armorgunner, Decades ago, Sweden had something similar to Archer. Believe it had a 14 round magazine that could be emptied in record time, whereupon the weapon system would rapidly displace to avoid counterfire. What I didn't see demonstrated in the Archer video was MRSA, such as what the Panzerhaubitze 2000 can do. Atmos 2000 seems like a step backward, not forwards, what with the exposed crew and all. Maybe it's got some redeeming characteristics no in evidence in the video, such as being a great deal cheaper than the other candidate weapons. CESAR seems to be a system falling somewhat between the Archer and the Atmos 2000. The info on Nora in the vid is way too sparse. Am surprised the Czechs haven't got their DANA successor in the competition. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Doubble post Edited October 27, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Kettler said: Armorgunner, Decades ago, Sweden had something similar to Archer. Believe it had a 14 round magazine that could be emptied in record time, whereupon the weapon system would rapidly displace to avoid counterfire. What I didn't see demonstrated in the Archer video was MRSA, such as what the Panzerhaubitze 2000 can do. Atmos 2000 seems like a step backward, not forwards, what with the exposed crew and all. Maybe it's got some redeeming characteristics no in evidence in the video, such as being a great deal cheaper than the other candidate weapons. CESAR seems to be a system falling somewhat between the Archer and the Atmos 2000. The info on Nora in the vid is way too sparse. Am surprised the Czechs haven't got their DANA successor in the competition. Regards, John Kettler The Archers MRSI capability is in the wiki link I provided. Upp to 6 rounds (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact) compared to the 5 round MRSI for the PH 2000 And the fastfiring gun you name, is bandkanon 1. Could fire the entire magazine of 14 155mm shells, in 45 seconds. Edited October 27, 2021 by Armorgunner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 14 hours ago, Armorgunner said: The Archers MRSI capability is in the wiki link I provided. Upp to 6 rounds (Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact) compared to the 5 round MRSI for the PH 2000 Glad you cleared that up, I was worried that they might be contagious! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Armorgunner, Thanks much for the clarification and additional info. Hadn't seen anything on the Bandkanon 1 since ~1973 via a copy of Jane's Weapon Systems. What a tremendous ROF. Imagine a battalion firing simultaneously and emptying the magazines! Glad Archer has strong MRSI capability, too. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, John Kettler said: Armorgunner, Thanks much for the clarification and additional info. Hadn't seen anything on the Bandkanon 1 since ~1973 via a copy of Jane's Weapon Systems. What a tremendous ROF. Imagine a battalion firing simultaneously and emptying the magazines! Glad Archer has strong MRSI capability, too. Regards, John Kettler I think even more impressive, than the rate of fire. Was the reloading time! 2 minutes, to reload 14 new 155mm rounds to the magazine. Using a revolver speedloader like device, where the hole 14 round magazine was reloaded instantly! The downsides was the very low speed of only 28 km/h (17,4 mph), and its by modern standard short range of 28 km. And that you had to know how many charges you needed, when reloading the magazine. one, two, or three? If you loaded the magazine with one charge, you could only fire att shorter ranges. And if you loaded it with 3 charges, you could not fire at shorter ranges. So there was not the flexibility of more modern guns. You needed to know in advance! At a time when there was no drones to scout, can you imagine that? Wikipedia: Bandkanon 1 - Wikipedia But it was a worldrecord fast firing, and reloading 155mm howitzer And if you like artillery, you shure love Bandkanon 1 Edited October 28, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armorgunner Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Glad you cleared that up, I was worried that they might be contagious! For a few seconds I thought... Does Germany use Biological MRSA Rounds Edited October 28, 2021 by Armorgunner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.