Ch53dVet Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Late model Panther IVJ w/crack HQ crew ("Chaos at Ferme Diedenhove" battle) During the attack on the walled in compound (playing as German attacker) I issued a move order for my tank to re-position and seal up an opening on my right flank. One minute later, I noticed, the tank was still sitting there with its move order path line still visible. After checking to make sure the tank wasn't in a semi-bogged mode, or, immobilized mode, I rescinded the order and issued a reverse and reposition order. Again, one minute later, the tank didn't move, perplexed, by this, apparent, glitch I, closely, examined the tank to see if it had suffered mechanical damage, preventing it to move, after the initial assault. Again, I found nothing mechanically wrong with the tank, then, I saw the problem while checking out the crew, I was missing 1 of my tank crew "The Driver", apparently, the tank suffered some internal flaking, or, the "Magic Bullet" found its way into the sealed tank and killed the driver. I guess the remainder of the crew were unqualified to drive despite their "Crack" rating. I'm guessing, here, that the Tank Commander was "Party" assigned to the position, otherwise, he would have known how to drive the tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Is it possible that the Crew of the experimental Panther IVJ had one of its Crew a Casualty before Scenario (reduced Crew Strength, and didn't notice). -Or- a Tank Crew Casualty when you were unbuttoned (and didn't notice)... Thou, all this still doesn't explain why your experimental Panther IV J doesn't move since a crew member would automagically go into the Drivers Seat...Unless, you forgot to undo the 'Pause' Order at some point...So, I'm at a loose :-) Other Forumites...Please. Edited November 10, 2018 by JoMc67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What's a "Panther IVJ"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I've seen the driver of a Pz IV get killed by spalling caused by 50 cal fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Other crew are supposed to take over the driver's job. So, something is off. Do you have a saved game or PBEM turn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 hours ago, simovitch said: What's a "Panther IVJ"? Maybe he meant to write Panzer IV J. What he actually wrote never existed SFAIK. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Maybe he meant to write Panzer IV J. What he actually wrote never existed SFAIK. Michael Don't ruin the moment, ME...it's an experimental Tank :-) Edited November 11, 2018 by JoMc67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, JoMc67 said: Don't ruin the moment, ME...it's an experimental Tank :-) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next you'll be telling us you're the Queen of May, I suppose. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Maybe he meant to write Panzer IV J. What he actually wrote never existed SFAIK. Michael Yeah I was being an arse; just not used to seeing this kind of malaprop on this forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, simovitch said: ...just not used to seeing this kind of malaprop on this forum. God knows we see an abundance of every other kind. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch53dVet Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 3:53 PM, JoMc67 said: Is it possible that the Crew of the experimental Panther IVJ had one of its Crew a Casualty before Scenario (reduced Crew Strength, and didn't notice). -Or- a Tank Crew Casualty when you were unbuttoned (and didn't notice)... Thou, all this still doesn't explain why your experimental Panther IV J doesn't move since a crew member would automagically go into the Drivers Seat...Unless, you forgot to undo the 'Pause' Order at some point...So, I'm at a loose :- Other Forumites...Please. No... I just received the last of my reinforcements for the game. I put all my Panthers (Pz VG Panther (late)), tank destroyers (Sturmpanzer IV (late)) and JPz IV / 70 v's (tank destroyers) together for a blitzkrieg style attack on the "Ferme Diedenhove" compound, one big push to overwhelm the compound. The tank in question followed the assault orders to the compound wall, it was after the compound was decimated that I issued the tank in question (sorry about the mix up it was a Panther Pz VG (late) not a Pz IV J (late)) to move to cover my right flank as I was taking some enemy tank fire hidden in the woods to the right of the compound). After the turn was over I noticed the tank had not moved, it still had a blue colored move order path line, no bogged or immobilized notification in the tank screen only the missing driver. (maybe I should have waited a few more turns incase he had an emergency sitting head call that he could no longer avoid to take? (some things from Parris Island seem to never, ever, fade away, 42 years and counting. lol) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch53dVet Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 4:19 PM, simovitch said: What's a "Panther IVJ"? Sorry, my mistake it was a Pz VG Panther (late) but, on the other hand if you were spoofing me on the IVJ instead of the IV J nomenclature take a look at the tank screen for the Panzer IV J (late) It's actually listed as Pz IVJ (late) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch53dVet Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 7:08 PM, Michael Emrys said: Maybe he meant to write Panzer IV J. What he actually wrote never existed SFAIK. Michael That is correct, I got my Pz VG Panther (late) mixed up with the Pz IV J Panzer class. I was talking about the Pz VG Panther (late). Sorry about the confusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) spalling from the sherman 105 prob, luckily it hit the front it would have been toast at the sides. I've used the priest as well with success against the panthers. Edited November 12, 2018 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 4:04 PM, IanL said: Other crew are supposed to take over the driver's job. So, something is off. Do you have a saved game or PBEM turn? yep, in my Hamel Vallee game a Marder driver was hit and another crewmember was in the seat so fast I had to assume the former driver had been vaporized. That is odd, hopefully he has a save otherwise chalk it up as a mystery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 user1000, A Sherman 105 carried a small quantity of HEAT rounds specifically to deal with Panzers. Page 48 of the CMFB Manual shows 5 rounds, but 457 mm armor penetration at 0% (Wiki below) would do a lot more than spall a Panther's frontal armor. Would expect the whole tank would need replacing, along with most/all of the crew, not just the driver and tank and crew remainder otherwise intact. Of course, if a tank appears and the Sherman 105 is set up for FS, then the first round will be HE, whose ability to cause spalling on impact with substantial sloped armor is unknown to me.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M101_howitzer Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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