Shorker Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 First of all I found this interesting video channel on YouTube about the actual Syrian conflict: And I'm asking myself when we will be the happy owners of a Shock Force II game? And maybe even with an improved game engine that includes explosions, fire, better damage models and a completely destroyable environment like in the "Men of War" series. My (positively meant and constructive) criticism about the Combat Mission series is that it is a menat to be a WAR game,but the aspect of chaos and destruction is very much neglected. It is nearly only about tactical movement and physical accuracy (which is brilliant). The "Men of War" series for example is way poorer in many ways than "Combat Mission" but it was sold in large numbers whereas our beloved "CM " is still called a niche product.... Why that? The answer could be that it is a wargame without the accompanying effects of a war. There is nearly no smoke, no fire, no things flying in the air, tanks can not break through walls or roll over men and AT guns... nothing like that. All is pretty accurate and clean on the virtual battlefield in CM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, Shorker said: <Snip> And I'm asking myself when we will be the happy owners of a Shock Force II game? <Snip> Hey Shorker!! Nice video. Steve talked about CMSF about four months ago. Not sure if you saw it so I included the link below. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Most wargamers are more interested in standing in the boots of historical commanders than in watching stuff and troops blow up messily. Plenty of shooters cater to the latter. That said, I've long felt the building cover and damage model needs a workover, and some more ambient smoke and haze (a more persistent version of the large explosion effects already in game) would be immersive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 15 hours ago, Shorker said: First of all I found this interesting video channel on YouTube about the actual Syrian conflict: And I'm asking myself when we will be the happy owners of a Shock Force II game? And maybe even with an improved game engine that includes explosions, fire, better damage models and a completely destroyable environment like in the "Men of War" series. My (positively meant and constructive) criticism about the Combat Mission series is that it is a menat to be a WAR game,but the aspect of chaos and destruction is very much neglected. It is nearly only about tactical movement and physical accuracy (which is brilliant). The "Men of War" series for example is way poorer in many ways than "Combat Mission" but it was sold in large numbers whereas our beloved "CM " is still called a niche product.... Why that? The answer could be that it is a wargame without the accompanying effects of a war. There is nearly no smoke, no fire, no things flying in the air, tanks can not break through walls or roll over men and AT guns... nothing like that. All is pretty accurate and clean on the virtual battlefield in CM. MOW appeals to a different market - the wrist twitch action fans who prefer action and are not concerned about how the game reflects reality. The CM series has always appealed to the more cerebral types who want more of the illusion of reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) While pretties are always appreciated (Ooooh! Shiny Things!) they ain't why I buy CM titles TBH. Edited February 26, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorker Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Thank you @MOS:96B2P for the link. I had been searching for "CMSF II" and so I didn't find it. That's good news from Steve though! ;-) @Erwin and @Sgt.Squarehead , I can't tell if "Men of War" appeals to a different market ... (from my experience all players of CM also know about MoW) but my point/argument is that allthough MoW is far below the quality of CM (regarding tactics, gameplay deepness etc.), it was sold in larger numbers and was more popular. (My conclusion is based on the many many "Let's plays" and gaming videos of MoW on YouTube). I want Battlefront to earn a lot of money (lots and lots and lots of money) so that they can employ more people and make new games and battle packs and improvements faster. I do accept that some (or many?) CM fans are somewhat undemanding/modest/humble with their pretensions/expectations to graphics (absolutely no offence meant here, I'm not an original English speaker and I say "each to his own") and effects but on the other hand nobody can deny that a little overhaul/workover of the damage models, like @LongLeftFlank said, would not be in the way of the success and popularity of the Combat Mission series. ;-) We should not discuss as if we couldn't have a good CM title without the other (explosions, smoke, fire etc.). Let's be honest: Explosions, lots of smoke and especially fire BELONG into a computer animated wargame, don't they? P.S.: Does anybody know how to edit the signature? I can't find a button in my profile. :-( Thanks in advance! Edited February 27, 2017 by Shorker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 4:47 PM, Shorker said: 2 hours ago, Shorker said: <Snip> P.S.: Does anybody know how to edit the signature? I can't find a button in my profile. :-( Thanks in advance! Go to your profile page. Click on your profile name (upper right corner). In the drop down menu click on Settings. Click on Signature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Actually I had to Google MoW.....I haven't looked elsewhere for platoon-battalion level systems since discovering CM (the originals). It took me a while to get into the CMx2+ engines, but now I am of the opinion they are pretty much without peer in terms of realism (if not always balance). If they get prettier, that's lovely, but I'd rather see the balance issues sorted and the game's scope expanded, long before I'd ever ask for anything to change on the graphics front. I doubt I am alone in that appraisal TBH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chebalis Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 So any news regarding an update to CMSF? it would be nice to hear something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Not going to happen for a year and probably longer imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It's top of my 'Most Wanted' list by a mile.....Especially if they follow LLF's formula (and thus include CM:A in the update). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 IIRC CMA has a slightly different engine being made by a sub-contractor Russian firm - if so, may not be easy to upgrade at the same time as CMSF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Erwin said: IIRC CMA has a slightly different engine being made by a sub-contractor Russian firm - if so, may not be easy to upgrade at the same time as CMSF. In addition there would be rights issues - can BFC actually release an updated game without getting the rights back? No idea - also no interest but that could change. Originally I had no interest in CMSF but all this talk and some of the scenario you guys are making makes me pause. I think once it is updated I'll be there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 CM:A is actually a slightly more sophisticated engine than CM:SF, but it also may be slightly buggy.....I've got a series of tests lined up to try to fully explore the situation with the game as it now stands. It's a great title and possibly the best balanced of all the post WWII games, it's definitely my favourite. I really do think Battlefront should endeavour to fully integrate this game into the wider post-war CM family, this campaign after all was directly or indirectly the trigger for countless world changing events across the globe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) "...this campaign after all was directly or indirectly the trigger for countless world changing events across the globe." So, not like poxy little conflicts like WW1 or WW2 right...? Edited March 21, 2017 by Erwin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Exactly! It was a rather smaller affair, but I'd say the consequences are as far reaching as either.....It played a big part in the collapse of the Soviet Union and then there's the whole 9/11 thing and the War on Terror, the end of which we are very far from seeing right now IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Yup... new events in London as we speak... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 It's the gift that keeps on giving.....Cheers Mr. Brzezinski! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Oh, since you have the time and are so close, can you run down to the bridge and let us know what's going on? Can't trust fake news as you know... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) I'm in the Midlands dude, over a hundred miles away.....You are probably much closer than me (if you are still over here). The BBC are reporting five dead, including the attacker and the PC he stabbed, with another forty injured. My neighbour's son in law works in Whitehall so no doubt I'll be getting more details in due course.....Thought it might be a case of 'Suicide By Armed Police' at first, but the attacker looks familiar, possibly a YouTube ranter and the security services were allegedly 'aware of him' prior to this event: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39359158 Edited March 23, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Only 100 miles??? That's a short walk to the garden lavatory for anyone who's lived in the states for more than a couple of weeks!! When did Brits get so lazy?? Can't you rent a black cab or somesuch...? This is why I left the UK... Too much gratuitous violence. Actually, we been getting a lot of news about it on every channel over here. Even video of the car mowing down the peds on the bridge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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