user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Are they just missing from the game? Or were there historically few pieces in the theatre? Was it really that bad against tanks in North Africa? I could put the gun to great use in the game. Edited December 8, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMac Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 By CM:BN, the two major AT Guns were the Infantry Battalions 57mm AT Gun ( mainstay in all Inf Battalions from then till end of war ), and the Infantry Divisions Towed 76mm AT Guns ( fewer in numbers ). Italy ( or Southern France ) should be the last time to see 37mm AT Guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) 37mm is available in Quick battles with Market Garden, but i think only in August and September and only as a specialist Team.-Edit- i have used it before for novelty sake. its not as mobile as your might hope and is really quite useless. Edited December 8, 2015 by Cobetco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Mistake for the people who decided to phase it out. It could have been used well in Normandy. I like it for half-tracks.. I would set it up on a road junction watching for vehicles crossing down the street Edited December 8, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Interesting thing, if you look closely in the game you'll see the Airborne didn't swap out its 37mm for the standard US 57mm gun before D-Day but are instead using the Brit 6 pounder considerably stripped down and with folding legs to fit it into a glider! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Too many things are 37mm, i thought User1000 meant the German pak-36. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Are you kidding me? Although it was 37mm it was still high velocity.. Extremely maneuverable as well. For heavy armor you had to be at sides or rear big deal? Edited December 8, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Found my answer from one of my books. It was in fact in the European theater for some time.."By the time the M3A1 had beentaken into service it was obsolete. By1941 events elsewhere had demonstratedthat something larger than37 mm (1.46 in) would be required topenetrate the armored hides of in serviceenemy tanks and although theM3A1 was used in North Africa by theUS Army the type was withdrawnthere and replaced by heavier guns,But it was different in the Pacifictheater. There the expected enemytanks were light (and in any event fewand far between), so a place could befound for the M3A1 as an infantry supportweapon. High explosive andcanister rounds were developed foruse during the various island-hoppingcampaigns and the armour-piercingprojectiles were often called uponduring 'bunker-busting' operations." This was probably why....."Although the European war hadshown it tobe obsolete, the 37-mmM3 was still in US Army use at theKasserine Pass in 1943, where itsinadequacy against the veteranAfrika Korps armour was disastrous.It was soon to be withdrawn from theEuropean theatre." So if the failure at Kasserine Pass did it in, and this was the case why didn't they remove the stuart and greyhound from the European theater which had the gun?? Edited December 8, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Anti-tank guns got that name because they're supposed to knock out tanks. If you've got a lot of obsolete guns lying about they can be repurposed as infantry support guns with some marginal anti-armor performance but they're not really anti-tank guns anymore. I once worked with an old WWII Pacific jungle fighter. He had high praise for the 37mm gun - because of its canister round which was a life-saver. Not for its AP capabilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 well take a look at german armor it can takeouteasily towed with jeep or truckeasy toall troop defenses with HEtroops with HEall german half tracks with APall trucks, armored cars and regular carsjust about all dug in emplacementsbuildings - stone, brick or woodengerman tanks up to the mark iv on sides or rear and possibly higher models with AP or APC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 And it needs specialist training. It needs that jeep (the bazooka doesn't).And it was replaced (for the "stand-off" Anti-armour role) by the 57mm. Which is also pretty nimble for a significant upgrade in armour penetration. The 43 Infantry Battalion has 4 x 37mm, and the 44 Infantry Battalion has 3 x 57mm. I know I'd rather have 57mm for fighting German armour than 37mm (which can't even reliably punch in the front of a Panzer IV by that stage of the war). Sure, the 6lber has to hit anything heavier than a IV in the flank, but the 37mm has to hit any "proper" tank and a fair number of armoured cars in ambush.But essentially you're arguing a null case: the 37mm didn't disappear from infantry formations, the 4 of them got together and became 3 57mm ATGs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Do I remember correctly some of the poorer German formations in the Market-Garden Module can have the 37mm?Besides in quick battles I mean. Edited December 8, 2015 by Sequoia ps 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 So if the failure at Kasserine Pass did it in, and this was the case why didn't they remove the stuart and greyhound from the European theater which had the gun??Because while there was a replacement already available for the 37mm towed gun (57mm gun) there was nothing at the time to replace those vehicles. The M24 Chaffee wasn't ready until November of '44. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 But essentially you're arguing a null case: the 37mm didn't disappear from infantry formations, the 4 of them got together and became 3 57mm ATGs.when two 37mms love each other very much ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Because while there was a replacement already available for the 37mm towed gun (57mm gun) there was nothing at the time to replace those vehicles. The M24 Chaffee wasn't ready until November of '44.Makes sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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