borg Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Hi All ! I don't know why - i suddenly had this outburst of trying my luck @ beach assaults. I tried the Blue & Gray campaign 1st scenario Saving Private Ryan campaign 1st scenario and Bloody Omaha scenario Come on guys, the assault almost seems impossible. I can't get the hack out of the beaches, before getting 3/4's of my units KIA. Is their a 'recipe' ? (I'm not joking) As in, throw smoke? Run or Move or Slow (crawl) ? Run Zig Zag or Run straight ? Any small hints, maybe bullet points.. would be extremely welcomed ! And serves as a good launchpad to others who wish to try their luck in similar scenarios. Thanks All ! Edited July 18, 2015 by borg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 part of why the appeal of beach landings is more in the theory than the practice is- it is a straight up frontal assault. If you can't simply swamp the beach defenses in men and fire power you will lose. There is no subtlety. It looks amazing, but from a player command perspective there is little to do. Smoke would be the most effective item to allow you to close with the beach defenses, assuming you have it. And I don't mean smoke grenades, but artillery smoke. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 It's so unforgiving isn't it ? Did u actually 'make' it to the assembly area ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I think all those scenarios were made before the MG became more accurate in a patch. That would make them much harder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 Hmmm. Makes sense.. So MG patch changed a lot that affects beach levels - right ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 18, 2015 Author Share Posted July 18, 2015 As In.. What does the MG patch do to make them Harder ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 MachineGun, not Market Garden 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Is their a 'recipe' ? (I'm not joking) Push push push. Just keep your men moving when they break and run back you just keep them moving back towards the sea wall as soon as you can. In the Blue and Grey the men that secured the objectives were all broken. It was like herding cats by the end - none of them wanted to do what I asked. I imagine that was pretty much like that - every one exhausted and spent at the end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Battlefront never offered, to the best of my knowledge, any beach landing scenarios in either CM1 or 2. Think about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If you absolutely must, to help with IanL's advice, you probably want to be abusing the "Evade" command that will get cowering troops up and moving. It'll probably get even more of them killed, but they'll be further up the beach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Many don't know this, but there are actually two beach landings in Blue and Grey. The first one is impossible to win, as far as I know. But if you just cease fire, you lose, and then you continue to the second beach landing. Which is hellishly difficult, due to machinegun changes, but it is winnable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Lol - thanks bulletpoint . Can someone enlighten me about the 'evade ' command ? Evade is the one to cancel automatic moves triggered when units are panic stricken ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 And to continue with Childress.. Hmm interesting observation that BFC never released an official scenario from their front.. Though... The landings are a 'big' story of the Normandy, especially D Day. It would be nice to see some love directed here. Luckily a few talented modders do please us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Many don't know this, but there are actually two beach landings in Blue and Grey. The first one is impossible to win, as far as I know. Not impossible just hard. I won that one. If was hard watching your men litter the beaches and very difficult for keeping them moving forward. It is winnable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If you absolutely must, to help with IanL's advice, you probably want to be abusing the "Evade" command that will get cowering troops up and moving. What a brilliant idea! Yeah that would help keep things going. @Borg, the evade command is the one that lets your men ignore being pinned and move and. It allays creates a move order back towards safety but with movable way points you could redirect it forward. I should expand a little. My method was to keep moving towards the sea wall at all costs. Except my heavy weapons. They found any crater they could and set up. I use them and the tanks to try to lift the suppression on my men by targeting where the fire was coming from. It was brutal especially when the mortar fire started landing in the heavy weapons teams. Once I started loosing tanks I changed to moving them forward at all costs too. Once you again at the sea wall you can create local fire superiority and force yourself over for top. I did if with two groups one on each size of the valley. The group on my right were in better shape and had a tank that could not climb the ridge so as the men cleared the trenches along the top the tank moved along the beach. And men from both sides were able for attack the fortifications in the valley from both sides. The AI surrendered as I was making my push in land. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Awesomeness ! Almost like real life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 That was my thought. That and man I do not want to do that again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 And to continue with Childress.. Hmm interesting observation that BFC never released an official scenario from their front.. Though... The landings are a 'big' story of the Normandy, especially D Day. The point was that one suspects Battlefront anticipated that most players find these grinding battles 'unfun'. Even Omaha Beach possessed a decided 'shooting ducks in a barrel' aspect. Dieppe was worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Unfun ? Ahh - This makes me remember - We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; Give us Assaults ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If you are given tanks, you should do everything you can to keep them alive, even if you have to shoot arty smoke on top of them. Having even a single green/broken/immobilized tank can prove to be all the firepower you need to get your men off the beach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Unfun ? Ahh - This makes me remember - We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; You're referencing Shakepeare's Henry V, Borg. Inspiring material but be careful with this elitist stuff. Don't you want to be perceived as a Regular Guy? Someone we can knock off beers with? Like sburke, for example. Edited July 19, 2015 by Childress 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 someone say beer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childress Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Sburke hath spoken. If any member wants to contribute to this topic, hurry up. The Thread Locking Man draws nigh. Edited July 19, 2015 by Childress 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 Did I strike a chord here ? - well Lord Lovett used to walk in battle with bagpipes behind him after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ok. Perhaps I did go off topic with lord Lovett And the thread is about beaches after all. Speaking of beaches, and watching my pixeltrüppen running like hell - anyone noticed - they run rather 'funny' / the sure walk much better as a visual. Anything down that road would entail engine change ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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