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Panzir has a 40km ranged round in development.

Does this T90 have the 2A82 gun? T90AM in game does not.

A number of those were procured by the volunteers, so while the ballistic protection is/was near standard issue, the quality varies. That said I would assume that from the basic scenario the Kiev Government had the ability to procure some sort of standardised model.

Such as? Rocket artillery and air delivered weapons? I mean, sure you could use TacTom or B1B for CAS, but it is the wrong way to use those weapons.

Gun mask area?

Basic body armour is fairly generic now a days and should be issued to everyone. What body armor does not protect you from are the HE/thermobaric primary effects. I do wonder though if BZK pattern suits would be available to the troops.

Or you supply the same rounds for the Msta-Bs they have, which would get that job done without being detrimental to the main capability of Grad-area saturation that is. As firing "few" rounds (before moving away) undermines the strong points of Grad - it's rate of fire and salvo size while being natural to the Msta-Bs. Note that there is no range advantage for the Grad, the kind you would get from the MLRS class system.

Russian/Soviet SHORAD was always fairly capable. There is a move now to upgrade those to some new standard, for example tracked Panzir (which in turn is expected to gain new, longer ranged, roudns).

Killing strykers is not hard.

Why would they have hard time, if modern tanks have thin roof armour (something we were trying to fix for a long time)?

ARC-1 was used since late 70s I think.

Ah, that, I forgot that they advertised the Grad variant.

John, all those systems originate from 80s.

Considering that those militia units are shifting to corps structure (4 heavy mech and 3 light motorised I think BDes I think?) they are going to be a force to be considered.

Additional "flexibility" leads to less common ammunition stocks, increase in system cost and so on. In a number of instances, when the additional capability is not significant, it is not worth acquiring as the increase in useful capability does not over come the increase in costs/complexity. In case of the Grad the new rounds do not bring any improvements in terms of capability, as their role is already taken by the 152mm guns, which are already available at BDe level (they do the same job the same way). However it reduces the key Grad capability (timely destruction of high value enemy groupings) and increases the system complexity/cost (it now requires a sub system to feed target coordinates into the rounds). On the other hand GPS guided rounds do make good sense for tube artillery and the high end rocket artillery systems, as it provides them a new and useful capability - to provide high precision point missions in direct support of the troops with tube artillery and the ability to destroy point high value targets with high end rocket artillery systems. Which is why such munition types are designed/procured for the MLRS/Smerch and the 155mm/152mm artillery systems So, in general the GPS guided rounds are useful, just not for the 122mm rocket systems and flexibility for flexibility's sake is just plainly stupid.

The point is that we lack the requirement for such munition for Grad, thus we do not waste money developing it. Why we don't have such a requirement? Because such 122mm round (for Grad) does not offer any advantage over 152mm howitzer rounds, while the MLRS (and other heavy Rocket arty such as Smerch) rounds offer range advantage and could be used for special missions - for example taking out hostile artillery or other high values assets in the enemy depth (where 152/155mm rounds won't reach). So it is not inflexibility, it is just good financial sense.

Note, various BDes would have different OOBs (as did Soviet units/formations), this OOB is relevant to the BDes after the first wave of reforms and may not be relevant to the 2017 vintages BDes.

Primary unit type is a Motorised Rifle BDe, example of which was provided above. You get a few odd ones such as one TD and one MRD, Tnk BDe, 18th ArtMgDiv and so on. Here you could see some data, courtesy of one other Ru member: Independent motor rifle brigade (only relevant combat units detailed): - Command & HQ - Motor rifle battalion (x3) -- Command & HQ -- Motor rifle company (x3; 30 BMP/BTR total)* * - each company assigned ~3 MANPADS (stored in vehicles) --- Command element (1 command BMP/BTR) ---- Company commander ---- Senior technician ---- Staff sergeant ---- Medical instructor ---- Squad commander ---- Senior driver ---- Gunner-operator (BMP) / Gunner (BTR) ---- RTO ---- Ground radar recon station operator --- Motor rifle platoon (x3) ---- Commander ---- Deputy commander ---- Motor rifle squad (x3; 1 BMP/BTR each) ----- Commander ----- Senior rifleman ----- Gunner-operator (BMP) / Gunner (BTR) ----- Machinegunner ----- Machinegunner assistant ----- RPG operator ----- RPG operator assistant ----- Rifleman ----- Driver -- Mortar battery (6 2S12 120mm mortars and 6 MT-LB carriers total) --- Fire platoon (x2; 3 mortars and 3 MT-LB each) --- Art. recon, positioning, comms units (not detailed) -- Grenade launcher platoon (6 AGS-17/30 and 3 BMP/BTR total) --- Commander --- Grenade launcher squad (x3; 2 AGS and 1 BMP/BTR each) ---- Commander ---- Gunner (x2; AGS) ---- Assistant (x2) ---- Gunner-operator (BMP) / Gunner (BTR) ---- Driver -- AT platoon (9 ATGM launchers and 3 BTR total) - BTR-equipped units only --- Commander --- ATGM squad (x3; 3 ATGM launchers and 1 BTR each) ---- Commander ---- Senior operator (x3; ATGM) ---- Operator (x3) ---- Gunner (BTR) ---- Driver -- Recon platoon (1 BRM and 2 BMP/BTR total) --- Commander --- Recon squad (1 BRM) ---- Commander ---- Senior driver ---- Senior RTO - scout ---- Scout - RPG operator ---- Scout - radar recon station operator ---- Gunner (BRM) ---- RTO - scout --- Recon squad (x2; 1 BMP/BTR each) ---- Commander ---- Senior scout ---- Scout - sniper ---- Scout - machinegunner ---- Scout - RTO ---- Scout - sapper ---- Scout ---- Gunner-operator (BMP) / Gunner (BTR) ---- Driver -- Engineering-sapper platoon -- C3 platoon (2 HQ BMP/BTR, 1 BMP/BTR) -- Support and supply platoon -- Medical platoon - Tank battalion -- Command & HQ -- Tank company (x4; 40 MBT total) --- Command element (1 command MBT) --- Tank platoon (x3; 3 MBT) -- С3 platoon (1 command MBT, 1 HQ BMP, 1 BMP) -- Technical support platoon -- Supply platoon -- Medical platoon - Recon battalion - Howitzer self-propelled artillery squadron (x2; 36 2S3 / 2S19 152mm SPH total) - Rocket artillery squadron (18 BM-21 122mm MLRS total) - Anti-air missile squadron (12 9K33 (SA-8) / 9K330 (SA-15) SAM systems total) - Anti-air missle-artillery squadron (6/8 2K22 (SA-19) SP missile-gun AA systems, 6 9K35 (SA-13) SAM systems and 27 MANPADS total) - Anti-tank squadron (12/24 SP ATGM systems and 12/0 towed AT guns total) - Rifle platoon (sniper) -- Command element --- Commander --- Deputy commander - sniper --- Driver - RTO -- Sniper squad (x3) --- Commander - sniper --- Senior rifleman - sniper (x3) --- Sniper - observer (x4) - Various support units Independent tank brigade (units composition same as above): - Command & HQ - Tank battalion (x3; 123 MBT total) - Motor rifle battalion (~ 36 BMP total) - Recon battalion - Howitzer self-propelled artillery squadron (18 2S3 / 2S19 152mm SPH total) - Rocket artillery squadron (18 BM-21 122mm MLRS total) - Anti-air missile squadron (12 9K33 (SA-8) / 9K330 (SA-15) SAM systems total) - Anti-air missle-artillery squadron (6/8 2K22 (SA-19) SP missile-gun AA systems, 6 9K35 (SA-13) SAM systems and 27 MANPADS total) - Rifle platoon (sniper) - Various support units

True, however as we are going though the 2nd wave of the reform, the OOBs are subject to change.

It is, MLRS is used in that role, I know. However, MLRS is not comparable with Grad, but rather with the high end systems such as the Smerch and Uragan. I mean, you don't ask why TOS-1 lacks GPS guided rounds, do you? Grad is used in the role of cluster grid square removal system on BDe level, not precise deep strike system such as Smerch or new unitaric MLRS rounds.

Err, so you want regimental but not divisional OOB? Ok. To answer your question about the Grads though - they are issued at BDe level at the moment and act as the hammer to strike at enemy concentrations.

Not very, you get your generic Soviet 80s lineup.

He is playing both sides, trying to sell his support for the highest prise. Realistically he can't really ditch Russia, as without Russian support he won't stay in power (his youngest son, who he wishes to inherit his position certainly won't), due to the externally sponsored opposition (which has been cracked down recently, much to the European displeasure). That considered I would assume that he would stay neutral in any active Russian engagement in Ukraine, maybe allowing some logistics to go through Belorussian lands. If Belorussia does engage in some sort of conflict in Ukraine - it would be somewhat better than the Ukrainian forces in my opinion (as I seriously doupt large scale modernisation/reform in the current and likely future environment), but not by a large margin. This margin would mainly come from good training, good standards of maintenance and what not.

You have got the tube artillery systems for this task. Grad is built for an entirely different purpose, using it for such tasks is like trying to use shotgun in the role of DMR.

To all intents and purposes there are 2 TnkRs and 2 MRRs in our armed forces, is it their OOBs you desire to see? Most of our Ground Forces are made out of BDes, the 200th BDe is fairly representative, I could provide you with a more accurate generic OOB if you wish.