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Is that so? I thought that only the PLD had some KTs in some akward specialist company.

There were only like 6 KT in Normandy I think. And all in the British sector, so I smell BS here. Although I have to admit that I don't know the book.

Maybe you press 3D-preview when you actually should hit "Deploy ... Forces" in the Unit section?

That would be an option if there were trenches like in CMSF. Since there aren't, no way IMHO.

I'm actually really happy that this is getting so many responses. Also, as someone how knows jack about farming (city dweller), I consider these insights pretty helpful. To clear some things: What I'm trying to represent is the Rauray spur, which, essentially, is one really big field (by Normandy standards). I'm working on a 1.7km x 1.6km excerpt of the area around Rauray. I do agree that for most of Normandy fields would be pretty small where you wouldn't have to worry about what I've been asking in this thread, but in the area around Caen the fields were considably larger (even back then). As for the proposed solutions: berms with the elevation tool wouldn't suite me, as they would be oversized (8m wide!). It also doesn't seem as if fences would be a good choice. I think the best way would be the right connection of different ground tiles. I just haven't found a credible way how to do this so far. Also, since this thread has gone a bit off-topic I think its acceptable if I re-ask a different question, which back then nobody did answer: http://battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=97247

Well thank you, but that doesn't really answer my question. Like look at at this aerial photo: http://aerial.rcahms.gov.uk/database/record.php?usi=006-001-011-172-C&scache=38qawkzv5z&searchdb=tara_scran I've picked this one randomly. I'd say Bocage can be seen clearly in this pic, and theres rather field. The individual patters look very distinct, but don't look like they were seperated in any way, and my question would be how to recreate those in the CMBN Editor. I mean I don't know a whole lot about farming, but it would seem rather odd to place a, say 20x100m strip of Crop2 directly adjactant to small strip of Yellow grass and next to this one a strip of Crop6. It looks just strange, but from these pictures (going after the strong contrast of colors) one would assume that this is the way its done.

I sincerely hope so, its still some time to the releaese... I can't seem to find the other picture showing WSS troops, the one that was released first, does anyone know where it is?

You can tell from the latest screenshots.

Hi guys, theres a particular Editor-problem I've been wondering about for quite some time now. When you look at aerial photos or satellite images you often see pretty large fields, even in late 1940's Normandy in some places. But they never look uniformly. You can see many distinct patterns, many different colors, traces of where farming machines drew lines, etc. Now my question is: Is there a way to represent this CMBN that looks credible? I've been testing mixtures of crop, green and yellow grass tiles. But while this may look convincing in 2D-mode, in 3D it always looks crappy, since many tiles look different in 2D mode but usually share textures in 3D. I've attached a pic that show how it looks in the editor.

Nooooooooooo!!! Why U make no camo-smocks D:

Which exactly did you use?

Lol its in the base game guys

Mainly camo smocks and and Italian camo overalls in these pictures. But it indeed seems to be true that pea dot tunics were not as rare in the 12th SS as I initially believed it to be.

Yeah you're right, theyre all 12 SS, Ive seen all of them before, but didnt remember which type of camo clorthing could be seen in them. The first is from the rather well known Norrey en Bessin series. A series which predominantely shows SS soldiers (if I was at home I could check from which batallion) and most of them wear smocks or overalls. But yeah pea dot tunics were exclusively used by the SS, and tunics in other patterns were EXTREMELY rare and usually field-tailored. Nearing the end of the war a new pattern called Leibermuster was to be introduced, but almost no fotos of tunics in that pattern (in the field) exist.

Is that so? Well I guess we'll need a CMBN remake after the Eastern Front games Also please please include a heavy fog setting for scenarios, I want to continue working on my Mortain campaign.

Well I myself am still hoping for fire being introduced, but I'm afraid it won't happen. I'd also like if the game was less bocage-centristic, in a way that also other forms of cover become more effectiv. Right now, houses, foxholes, trenches, craters, etc. are far inferior to bocage in terms of cover. Also the effectiveness of rifle grenades seems a bit off to me.

How awesome is that? Even the paintjob is still intact.

There a thousands of pics that prove otherwise. In fact I'd say pea dot tunics were rather rare for the 12th SS. I know one (famous) picture of that badly bruised SS kid and he did indeed wear a tunic. All other pictures I know show boys in Type 42 and sometimes Type 38 camo smocks and on a few occasions in camoed overalls in the Italian pattern, which I guess they got from their sister division the 1st SS. But that's only true for 12th SS, other SS formations seem to have been equipped with camo tunics more lavishly, while camo overalls were pretty much only worn by 12th SS in Normandy.

The reason I don't use that (otherwise excellent) uniform mod, is that the way the camo clothing is done is not historically correct. German Heer and LW infantry did not have camo tunics, only parkas, (winter)trousers and camo smocks, which were similar to the ones of the W-SS, but with a different cut and two different patterns, calles "Splinter" and "Sumpf" pattern. Those weren't totally rare by 1944, but IMHO require a different 3D model to look convincing.

Has there been any word on that topic? I think most will agree that there are a few issues in CM:BN that aren't completely satisfactory, like some balancing/modelling issues (like mortars or HMGs) as well as some LOS/spotting problems, mostly in connection with foliage (like the one I posted here:http://battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=99105). Also I wonder if there will be some additions to terrain features to better accomodate the landscape arround Caen?

I think the roads look just fine, just a tiny bit too clean, especially on the edges.

Now that I'm all set up again be sure I'm going to play through this beauty. I'm sure it turned out to be awesome. At all: I can only advise you to download this. It has some of the best looking maps for CMBN I've seen so far. regards, Oliver

wearing the webbing beneath the camo smock was only done with the early M38 type smocks, which had flaps were you could stick ammo pouches through. I might find a picture where its actually done that way, but you're right, that concept wasn't very popular and was abandonned later on. So either you'd wear the straps over smock or not at all. Parachute smocks are a complete different thing, and they weren't even in a camouflage pattern in the beginning. But I think the FJ had special jump equipment anyways and actually did wear straps.

Im not sure whether youre beeing ironical or actually agreeing with me. But of the 3 photos only the right hand site one shows a (late) SS camo smock... In the first picture you see to Wehrmacht Zeltbahns, with actually beeing worn with the Y-straps on. The second one is from the famous KG Hansen series and the guy wears a M44 pea dot tunic. Anyways, I never said it was impossible that the straps were being left off, but that there are loads of pics that prove that the Y-straps were often worn above the camo smock

Well if they were just recolored tunics that would be super wrong, at least with the pattern shown. And I dont believe BF would do anything super wrong. So probably there will be actually smocks. Also, webbing was frequently worn over camo smocks so no problem with that. Only the early smocks were meant to be worn over the webbing and the equipment, which was rarely done though.