Destraex

I have done it, can't remember how though as I usually micro a little more than that. Try grouping?

cat 4.... it will not be ok until LOS is fixed and a few other things. However the constant whinging as you have noticed annoyed me. People assume especially when the Wargamer community for the most part is silent.. that a couple of fanboys or hateboys determine if the game is ok or not I would encourage people to try the Demo and make up their minds themselves

U should see whirlwind of vietnam LOL Wolf, I think you can coop. But you need 4 players and to set the teams a bit like MTW2

difference is, you did not have a significant investment for years waiting for a return and still even after buying the game have not. You are a customer and while you may complain to me its like you purchased a small stake (<1%) in a painting before the unveiling if you pre-ordered. Once the painting was unveiled you noticed a couple of things you did not like and blaaaaamm The artist has to listen to you for the next 20 years. The artist did not promise you anything but your expectations somehow were driven to expect a different painting

Chazman are you serious about me being brain dead? Just wanted to check....

-------------------- "Rather him then me!" is that than? Or is it slang for than? Why does it say your a junior member if your number is so good?

gamespot... now theirs a hotbed of good reviews They are very wargame oriented

BDHX... first of all thanks for the explanation and thanks for the patch development.... I hope that I will be able to use the LOS tool to check LOS in the beginning and then once i know what is likely and what is not to not bother. Can you please confirm that trees and bushes do block LOS? Especailly when it comes to infantry who are prone behind large shrubs.... Can you also confirm what preset points mean? Does this mean for example that if a tank can see LOS to one of these preset points on the map from its position that it then gets LOS to the whole sector that the preset point unlocks?

Considering a lot of game devs release demo as the game is released or after. Also considering that most peeps wait intil reviews start coming through even if their is a demo. C'mon Jonesy your joking right? How many CM players are going to buy this game thinking its CM and that Battlefront is the ultimate in realistic wargames devs..... Anyone played their sci-fi title? What do you expect of that? Anyone played t72 balkans in fire? For that matter anyone played a matrix game or company of heroes? Name anything that comes close to CC or CM and you will find that this is it...

thanks Elvis. The examples I am talking about however are when I have multiple trees and shrubs blocking a tanks vision all the way (perhaps 300m) up to the target lone infantryman who can be seen even though he is directly behind a massive thick bush\hedge much like you probably have as hedges on some lawns in your street. I have fraps up so will try to catch a few examples for you. If it turns out thier is not enough cover for infantry then this will be a real shame, and as you say perhaps it should be added or having infantry even with a lone tank around is useless.

me too billybob, IF they fix the los I can live with most everything else

I can handle when I lose troops, thats no problem for me. WHat is a problem is that no matter what your crew experience and spotting skill.... you cannot physically see through certain objects.... especially when it comes to tanks spotting infantry.

but Elvis, what level makes the trees and brush not see through. WHat is a normal setting and how do you prevent later veterans in campaign from becoming mutants with LOS xray vision?

I just finished that mission, my arty i used to take out infantry ATR and artillery on the hills. I looked for all the gun skilled infantry and manned all the abandoned Polish guns. THose little polish tankette buggers have a small footprint and the german early war tanks with green crews not that great. My MKIV did wonders at long range as long as I kept the 2 75mm cannons at bay.

lol, yeah i get you.... its probably moddable though through stats. Its a Russian game so I expect Bias just as in Sturmovik itself

if you wanted could you not just copy the missions over to another folder and play them individually?

Billybob apart from LOS how is this game not realistic?

a) I agree with the LOS problem. Once this is fixed the game should be fine. Anything else like stats the modders can fix if they wish I have played a lan game with no probs (although internet is different) c) Whats a game not fit for purpose mean? This is not a washing machine and cannot be defined so readily. Where are these wild claims? What did the box or advertising say that was misleading?

billybob I have to agree with you. I don't completely understand the los at the moment, but from where I sit it is amazing what the AI can see through brush. IF you are right and the firefly somehow pulled of a shot through the hill that is not good. I wonder of LOS in this game takes into account what other units can see?? The other thing frustrating me atm is seeing my infantry get sniped by tanks, even when prone and still in brush. However I guess thats why the ratio of tanks to men was not as great as in the game lol....

is that you chaz

Chazman demo???? You had the chance to try before buying. The risk was all yours and arguing about the game being "clunky" is well... subjective at best

it would be nice if Fil could advise if the patch being worked on will really resolve this I don't care what factors are in the calculations, LOS is often the hardest thing, not the easiest in war even with a clear LOS

Gauge If they have please put me in contact. I have seen plenty of undergrad games and they certainly don't have the physics and stats to begin with

would be good

Blond_Knight u play the demo?