The_Enigma

well the physics do predict it ... iirc there was some test somewhere which showed that the German stick grenade exploded in a nice little arc. Iirc it was the sides explode outwards but the top and botton dont do as much in the exploding department. Although, like hell i would try it to see if it were true

Pff who cares about Italy when one the UKs and in fact he desert wars most iconic tank - the Crusader has been touched by alas only one mod and that was for the MK II.

Wow very long post. Ive only had time to read through about half of it so far but what i have looks great. One notes from what you have wrote in regards to the Third Battle of Kharkov, that it appears that Manstein regardless of how great a victory he scored agaisnt the Soviets that he basically did to them what they had just done to the 6th Armee. I admit i have not read much on the battle but is this the correct impression to get from this?

I missed this portion. I read Pendlum of War last year, i found that to be a very intresting read on the battles of El Alamien. The book kicks off with the battle of Gazala, moves onto the 1st Al, am sure it covers (well it must do but i cant remember lol) Alam el Halfa before going onto the 2nd Al. Theres maps and statistics along with details of the operations which made up each battle. For example ive became a bit obssessed with Operation Supercharge of recent and so far of all the books ive looked at so far on the operation (which has been a few, but am hoping to increase that number tomorrow) it has got the most information on the 9th Armour Brigade and there efforts that morning. Other books seem to quickly mention it before moving on. Anyhoo ... ive got a very bias opinion since i loved the book lol! Other suggestions could be, The Rommel Papers. Its editored by Liddel Hart so when Rommel says they wiped out X ammount of tanks, Mr Hart is there to give British figures etc The majoirty of the book is made up of his dairy and letters, so whats wrote is on each days actions that evening etc Which does present some errors in events (as stated when possible the editor steps in to back up or dismiss what Rommel hs wrote) but it also shows why he did what he did. There are sections where he writes about how the war should be fought and tanks used etc Ive recently started reading the British Official Histories of the war in Africa. First 2 volumes i own which ive read the first and the last 2 are en route via the post. They may provide information for you. The first volume at least went on regarding the poltical strategy, convoys, sea battles, more poltics, troop movements. But it also covered the fighting in East and North Africa. However i did end up buying and reading through Operation Compass to back up the offical history. Whereas the Official history did go in deapth on what happened and had maps and OOBs it did seem to lack a little but, so i purchased the above to supplement my reading. That book has alot of maps, photos, OOBs and does cover the fighting but not in as much detail. Well hope that helped you a bit? You may want to have a look through these prehaps? New Zealand Official History of the Second World war Australia’s Official History of the Second World War

Ive always wondered, what would happen if you rolled one into the barrel, a nice boom or nothing?

gotcha

Out of intrest, the Lloyd is not in game is it, its just universals?

Ill be intrested to see responces to those questions prior to reading the book. Ive also seen other peoples comments regarding how he plays all innocdent and didnt know anything fishy was going on in the rear areas... In regards to the Stalingrad question, probably best for another thread this. I remember reading an authors opinion that if the Panzer Divisions with 6th Army had been kept in reserve and not commited to the battle they could have crushed the Soviet counterattacks by themselves or at least halted them. That seems very unlikely to me though.

Well the "few historians" comment was based off a series of articles which were published in magazines in the 90s which if I remember rightly is when the big hoo hah about the book gained popular attention. (I sat reading the back and forth arguments one day in work while I had nothing to do lol) One dude (who started off this back and froth row) slanted the entire book and the author based off things like calibre inaccuracies, the location of the cuff –titles? (I cant remember if that’s what there called) etc I am aware that there are lot of inaccuracies with the book in this regard but in the end as the people who backed the book, its not a history of the GD Division but the dudes experiences. Although the Historians did go on a bit more then that in defence of the book. But after saying that, am intrigued by what you have said, do you have some examples of where he places the division when it wasn’t actually there? I haven’t seen that one get mentioned before when its came down to people discussing if the book is a novel or the guy did serve and right down his experiences. I guess am dragging this one now, but why would do you think its unbelievable that a dude who is driving supply trucks could one day actually join the rank and file on the frontlines? I stumbled across a documentary last Saturday about people who are deaf and mute who had tried to sign up but were turned down due to there disability, but ended up actually being conscripted during the later parts of 1944 to fight for the fatherland. A few of the dudes went on to talk about there combat experience. I raise this example as I would have never thought people who could not hear (I was deaf as child, other members of the family are deaf so I know how hard it can be sometimes to communicate) would have been in the thick of the fighting … so I guess anything can happen really, no?

I also have Lost Victories but havnt got around to reading it yet. As for Panzer Operations, i know all memoirs can be very suspect and i take that into account when reading this one (i had to take that alot into account when reading Grenadiers by Meyer last year :eek: ). So far he has only got up to the aftermath of the battle of Moscow, but he hasnt so far presented all the Soviets as idiots. The book iirc opens with how he respects Ivan and there fighting ability etc Although i have seen quite a bit of the one sided comments, it does appear that all Soviet attacks are always ****e while his are near perfect I dunno, its still an intresting read i think. Its provided me with several ideas which ive so far plonked down into scenarios. Vergeltung: It would appear its only a few historians who believe he made it all up. [ May 07, 2007, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: the_enigma ]

Am currently reading though Panzer Operations by General Raus, am finding it an rather intresting read

Prehaps just a glitch?

They dont refuse to follow your orders there just not reacting? :confused:

I want a gold toliet seat but it just aint going to happen baby! Couldnt resist As for the last post, isnt that the PBEM helper?

...because the kids will cart me off to the home

Yea theres lots and lots of scenarios based within North West Europe available. A few compromises have to may though. As stated above there no Cromwells, King Tigers, Comets, M26s etc For instance, one scenario used Valentines in place as Cromwells, it worked out ok. I recently used a Churchill tank to sub as a M26 other then Shermans usally end up doing a goo enough job. You should check this map out: Link

Minqar Qaim 27-28 June 1942 Decription of the action </font>

Jeez man ... i take years to read a 5 page booklet .... I think the best part of the book has to be were recaps one of the dudes saying something along the lines of: "Ive spotted what appears to be four Tigers in the woods up ahead, am engaging!" ballsy! Infantry are just as bad! I recall him mentioning a Panzerfaust ripping off a good chunk of his tank! :eek:

This is the only one on the list i have read. I though this was a great read, very infortmative and good look into the life of the tankers... and very sad at the end.

Number of tanks KO'd is down to the player

You keep saying you think this you think that etc again ... eveidence... The actual fighting or even the living conditions which you keep bringing up has nothing really to do with why the theater as seen as you keep saying "more nobel" (on the whole that is, in my opinion) . Its from my own reading, the way each side treated one another etc (which i must state we have pointed out many examples and provided examples yet you gloss over them) If you want blood and gore, the New Zealanders iirc lead a brakeout from a pocket the Germans put them in... they bayoneted there way out... -1941 sometime iirc Another example, 9th armour brigade was ordered to sacrfice itself upon the German gunline during Operation Supercharge with the orders stating that 100% casulties were acceptable. - 1942 We have occasions were entire armour brigades are getting nearly wiped out in a single encagment ... Operation Battleaxe i believe is a good example (although its been a while since ive read about Crusader and Battleaxe, i may have muddeled which one it was up) An 882 gun barrage opened up the beginning of Operation Lightfoot, timed so each shell landed at the same time ... bet that bloody well hurt! :eek: As part of the barrage plan every Axis battery of 4 guns which had been Id was hit by 100 4.5 or 5.5 shells duiring 2 minute periods. a 20-1 concentration of fire upon the Axis gun batteries. Benghazi is suposidly the most bombed city of all of WW2. [ April 19, 2007, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: the_enigma ]

well as long as it wasnt the main character then who cares!

OMG OMG OMG OMG People fought and died during WW2 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yea the T30 is in game And here is that scenario.... The Dead Salute the Gods "Lt. Col. John Waters, commander of the 1st Battalion, 1st Brigade, 1st Armored Division kicks off the very first tank battle of WWII between German and US forces." Its by Iron Duke And another great one by him: Tebourba Engagement [ April 19, 2007, 09:52 AM: Message edited by: the_enigma ]

I found it too large for my own liking sorry, so i didnt play past a few turns. I do admit the map looked great! I think i did see an odd problem with some of the roads (like trees cutting them up etc) but that was it, otherwise it did look good I believe i did leave my thoughts with you on TPG. [ April 19, 2007, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: the_enigma ]