Treeburst155

Merry Christmas, Redwolf!! Have a safe trip. Treeburst155 out.

Jukka-Pekka's original suggestion to split contested VL points was put forth due to a very gamey loophole he discovered with regard to the Nabla Scoring System. BFC has closed that loophole. I'm not going to "undo" a BFC design decision for any reason short of another big gamey loophole involving the Nabla System. Nabla may feel differently, but I doubt it. If he does, I'm sure he will build the conversion right into his scoring program. Treeburst155 out. [ December 25, 2002, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

Interesting point, Redwolf. I had forgotten about the "lazy victor" argument for the 50/50 split. The thing to consider here is whether it is a big enough issue to go to all the hassle of converting scores. I can barely get players to report games correctly, let alone have everyone dig out the old calculator after every game. There will be at least 180 games to score in this manner, and lots of opportunity for mistakes. I don't think it's worth the trouble. Besides, the "ratio split" has some merit behind it too. Treeburst155 out. [ December 25, 2002, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

Yes, Tuomas, I do recall you mentioning the new point split to me. I dismissed the idea until I saw it myself. I didn't believe you. They've removed contested VLs completely from the scoring calculations , like you said. This has the same effect as awarding points for the contested VLs as I've described above. What this means to ROW III is that VL points are now split in relation to the score ratio, rather than a 50/50 split. RoW vets have discussed this in the past, and there was some controversy as to which was the better way to split the contested VLs. Considering the MAJOR hassle it would be to convert scores, I say we just go with what BFC has decided to do. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. The Nabla Program will do NO VL point splitting because BFC has decided to do it for us using the "ratio method". As stated in my earlier post, this will just tend to make victories larger from a point perspective. As far a fairness is concerned, we have no problem as long as every game is scored the same way. Treeburst155 out.

I don't think this affects the Nabla Scoring Program. The program just won't have any scores totalling <100 points to deal with. Tourney results will be different than they would have been because the Nabla program splits the points 50/50 for contested VLs; BUT, there are no longer any contested VL points to split. That part of the program is obsolete for CMBB. Treeburst155 out.

I'm probably the last to notice this, but they've changed the way scores are calculated. All game scores will now total to 100. In effect, contested VL points are now split between the players, but not evenly. The ratio of the scores is preserved. For example, if you outscore your opponent 2:1, you will be given points for the contested VL at a 2:1 ratio. A CMBO score of 50-25 translates to 67-33 in CMBB. This means victory LEVEL is unaffected. Only actual points scored and the DIFFERENCE between player scores changes, not the ratio of the scores. If you're the kind who tends to focus on the gap (the difference) between the scores to assess your performance, you will find yourself winning and losing by wider margins. If you focus on victory level (point ratio), you will notice no change. Would you rather win with a 67-33 score, or a 50-25 score? I like the former because the missing points in the latter suggest that the mission was less than successful, even though you outscored your opponent 2:1. There is really no significance to this scoring change except in competitions where total points over several games are used. I'm not even sure there are any such competitions. It's just something I found interesting. Treeburst155 out.

I've often wondered about that myself. I'll bet treebursts are less likely to occur in scattered trees than in woods or tall pines, but I've never tested it to find out. Treeburst155 out.

Redwolf, I sent an email to U8led, urging him to contact you. Treeburst155 out.

Outstanding, BFC! I wasn't at all interested in purchasing a Strategy Guide when it was first announced; but now, I'm placing my order...just because. Treeburst155 out.

That wouldn't work against me. How about tank hunter teams as scouts? That's probably gamey, but I'm not a grog so I don't know for sure. Treeburst155 out.

WWB to the rescue! Excellent! Here is what the replacement list looks like as of today: 1) Javaslinger 2) Lt Bull 3) Deadly 88 4) Shocktrooper 5) sgtabell 6) White4 7) Ace Pilot 8) Cuzn 9) Mark Gallear 10) Beckman 11) Diceman 12) Ivan_RU 13) Knaust 14) NotreDame89 15) Tanaka 16) Ratman I'm half-tempted to add in an overflow tourney, that would NOT be eligible for the prizes, just so more people get to play. I need multiples of six to form overflow sections. I'll wait until just before we start this thing, and see how many are on the replacement list at that time. Treeburst155 out.

I wonder how many new wargame enthusiasts this will produce? Some of the retail buyers will surely like it, even though the game won't be what they expected. Treeburst155 out

Yep, I can buy it in Little Rock some 48 miles from my hillbilly shack. Treeburst155 out.

Yeah, this is great Old Dog! I sincerely appreciate the time and effort you put into these maps. Thanks! Treeburst155 out.

Naah, just remove all the uniform bmps. You get all white troops you can spot from Mars. Treeburst155 out.

Cesspool Tournament of Winos Update Due to the recent increase in the budget of the Dept. of Defense, the Ladies of the Joint Chiefs have decided to outfit their army with all new uniforms of their own design. Each wino will have a uniform designed just for him. Naturally, all will have different colored uniforms and none will be olive drab (boring and WAY out of style). I've seen a few different designs they've come up with, and I'm really hoping the frilly pink goes to Joe Shaw. The only helmet that has been decided on is the one for Panzer Leader, which sports a large bullseye on both sides. Anyhoo, the battles cannot be arranged until the final decisions have been made regarding the uniforms. It seems The Ladies don't want to have two armies on the same battlefield that haven't been color-coordinated. When asked about using some of the increased funds to upgrade various weapons, the Ladies' official response was, "Pointy sticks are all they need to Die-A-Lot Now". There ya have it, the latest from the Joint Chiefs, direct from the shopping mall. Treeburst155, Squire to Senior Knight More-Arty, Defender of Lost Causes

Wow. Treeburst155 out.

Macerators and horrors....that's more like it. Whew, I thought you were losing your fighting edge for awhile there, John. Fight On!! Treeburst155 out.

"endit" will be taking Ali's slot in Tourney Two, Section 3. If you are in that section and want to do some email testing, you can reach him at: dlkruger2000@yahoo.com Welcome aboard, endit! The current replacement list looks like this: 1) Javaslinger 2) Lt Bull 3) Deadly 88 4) Shocktrooper 5) sgtabell 6) White4 7) Ace Pilot 8) Cuzn 9) Mark Gallear 10) Beckman 11) Diceman 12) Ivan_RU 13) Knaust 14) NotreDame89 Tanaka, If you wish to be on this list, email me. Make the subject "Signup". In the body type your forum name and the email address you would like to use for any tourney related email. Treeburst155 out. [ December 22, 2002, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ]

No carnage?!?! It's against the tourney rules for units to become exhausted before dying. Fight on, I tell you, FIGHT ON!! Treeburst155 out.

jjelinek, WWB may be along to help you here. In any case, the problem has been noted, and we'll take care of it before the tourney starts. Treeburst155 out.

I can't say I've noticed this one yet. I'll remember that smoke may not conceal as well, or as long, as I might think. Thanks! Treeburst155 out.

It's good to see your opponents have not given up, John. Fight On!! Treeburst155 out.

Now that's a right nice offer there, WWB. Thanks!! Treeburst155 out.

How come I get this vivid mental image of John playing CM on a computer with a blood spattered monitor, keyboard, and mouse? Treeburst155 out.