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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff Heidman: This is not really true. Allied tanks (especially French) were considerably inferior to their German counterparts. While they had heavier armor, and decent guns, they did NOT have radios, and most had two-man turrets. These two factors combine to make the tanks considerably less useful than their opponents. Jeff Heidman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The Pzkw I had a one man turret and no radio. The Pzkw II, the most numerically important German tank in 39/40, had a two man turret, and no dedicated radio operator (the loader did double duty). A blanket statement that most German tanks were superior based upon Pzkw IIIs and IVs ignores the realities of the composition of German forces early in the war.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Epée: Two questions: 1) What does "Cesspool" mean? 2) Is smoke from 81mm arty different than smoke from an 105mm arty? Epée<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> cess·pool (sspl) n. 1. A covered hole or pit for receiving drainage or sewage, as from a house. 2. A filthy, disgusting, or morally corrupt place. (from Dictionary.com) ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Commissar: For Americans, there only seem to be the Stuarts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The M24 is also considered a light tank. It was the replacement for the Stuart.

I don't know that much about it, and your right in that I can't imagine the armor being all that thick. However, with a 105, it will probably have a lot more punch than a 20mm on the weasle, or even the 100mm (recoiless?) on the BMP 3.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: Marlow, Blah, Blah, Blah … my shorts are to tight, its cutting off circulation to my brain … Blah Blah … Good day!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> My dear Pileous Pile of bleeding Piles, Of course I made something up; your pathetic ramblings didn't warrant anything more strenuous. However, now that you have posted your cute little Attempt-a-taunt, I will take a few minutes out of my valuable time to respond to your longwinded, scatological blathering. BTW, your repeated Poo-Poo references in the absence of anything more substantial would do any kindergartner proud. But, since you made an attempt, regardless of how wanting, I will actually address you this one time: Pillar you ignorant Groggy bastard, You so lacking in dimension and character that you make a kiddie pool look deep. Your constant recitation of inane facts is of no use to you here in the pool. Your groggy memorization of the frontal armor thickness of a KingTiger and other useless information is one giant blur. In fact it is increasingly difficult to differentiate any of the lonely thoughts sprouting out of the grey matter leaking from your head as you slide quickly toward dementia. You are so feking one dimensional that you feel some compulsion to pollute the Schloss Peng with your presence as a crutch to step outside of the narrow confines of your groggyness. You sad sorry little troll. I hope all of your little nitpicky details fills up your swollen head, and cause your beady little rat eyes to shoot from your head like small hot BBs I foresee your eventual end. As the combined mass of the armor penetration figures, scouting techniques and turret rotation statistics, as well as the rest of the fecal matter that takes the place of brains in your thick skull approaches astronomical proportions, a long and drawn out collapse will begin. Finally the combined weight of the **** accumulated in your head will cause a collapse below an event horizon, and you will be sucked into a dark place where you will be seen no more. The Cesspooligans will then build a massive shrine around the sucking hole that you have become, and will sacrifice to it the assorted dirt eaters that occasionally foul the pool waters. Since not even light will escape from the singularity of your collapsed crap, you will be doomed to spend an intellectually bereft eternity with the likes of Rob/1, USERNAME, and Master Bates. Oh, and I almost forgot: you are now cordially invited to GET THE HELL OUT ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-28-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: What do you think a good solution would be yourself then? If the Weisel can't provide the firepower in defensible terrain, and keeping in mind what you've pointed out, what sort of combination can we have? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Since the M551 is out of the picture (thanks for the info Trooper) the 82nd will probably get something like one of the mobile gun platform systems that are currently under development/evaluation for the Army's proposed medium brigades. This will likely be a wheeled armored vehicle mounting a 105mm.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OGSF: Oh, an' Marlow, dinnae give up...Ah think he just needs a wee bit o' encouragement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Comforting words from a man in a skirt ... er kilt (same thing aren't they?)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hiram Sedai: I'm somewhat homophobic. No offense intended. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hiram, you squireless bastard K-nagget, Haven't I heard somewhere that people who are homophobic are overcompensating to hide their true inner feelings? You can come out of the closet. You won't be ostracized, hated, or loathed any more than you already are. In fact, it would be far less revolting than your predilection for large green carrion birds. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

The manual is first rate (180 pages, and very well done). As far as shipping goes, I got mine in less than a week, but there seems to be a fair amount of variability on this question.

What a useless pile of yak droppings you people are. I don't think I've ever seen the 'pool so consistently low in the forum. It almost makes me want to go annoy people on the main board. Not that any of you toesuckers care, but I'll post updates to bump it up. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JDmorse: But then I am an average player and will need this win to offset my impending drubbing by Satan's spawn Marltoad but that's yet to come and so I can proudly echo Bastogne's heroic stand on this anniversary and say "Nuts" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> While it is true that I am crushing JDisn'tdirect105firefun under my non-jackbooted GI heel, the artificial time restrictions imposed by CM may very well reduce my glorious victory to a minor win. I've only a few of turns left to evict Morse's stubborn beerswillers from a couple of minor VLs, and his troops refuse to die as quickly as necessary. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dalem: "The forces under the command of OberMeister dalem have suffered a setback, but it was most assuredly not due to the confused actions of the necrophilic, opium-addicted, "Mama's House"-watching Yankee commander, MarLowBrow." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This one is truly becoming a thing of beauty. A 3000 point armor slugfest with lots of spontaneously combusting kraut armor, and the American Heavies have yet to make and appearance. I Hope you have warm long-johns BurgerMeister MeisterBurger dalem, because the Reich will have a nice command for you on the Ostfront after this one. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jshandorf: "Marlow: You suck!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I feel the love in the pool tonight. Shandorf, your defense is beginning to look like Custer's at Little Bighorn. Not much left in Nijis' scurrying little rat-men. A bunch of routed half-squads and one lone Stuart buzzing around like a little fly on the right flank looks to be about it. Hey, someone sponsor dalem and Nijis, quick, so that when I squash their heads like moldy grapes, I can have the victory inscribed in the Holy Book of the Peng. Hiram, now that Audruy is gone, don't you need someone to keep you warm on the long cold winter nights? ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-28-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kunzler: What is the most cost effective type of artillery for Germans, British, and Americans? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> American - For smoke and suppression You can't beat the 81 mm. For something with a little bigger BOOM, the 4.2 mortars are an excellent choice. The fast response time for mortars, particularly American mortars, significantly increases the ease of use. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Is it better and more cost effective to select regular or expert infantry? Tanks? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> For infantry, I prefer regulars. If you keep them in command, they are effective enough, and I personally don't believe that the cost premium for Vets is worth it. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> How do you beat a strategy under the rule of 76s in a meeting engagement where your opponent pushes forward to the objectives with an infantry screen with Panthers behind them in an overwatch position and hidden guns or hull-down tanks guarding the flanks? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't play with the 76 rule, but I have not found any situation where the proper utilization of tank destroyers has not solved the problem of German armor, even heavies. M18s are my favorite unit in CM. For enemy armor, see previous posts re: Tank destroyers in this thread. For Panthers in particular, the key is to obtain a flanking shot either by ambush, or by presenting the Panther with multiple targets far enough apart that at least one can pop the big cat in its weak side armor. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff Heidman: Does this mean I will get in trouble from some authority figure or something? What would constitute a Cesspool authority figure? Jeff Heidman<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 'We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.' ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

As far as tactics for TDs, operate them it pairs, and if you have enough, in teams of pairs. For paired TDs, keep them close together so that they have basically the same line of sight. Then when you have one enemy tank in line of sight, chances are that you will get off two shots for every return shot. keep your TDs in locations that they are exposed to at most one enemy tank at a time if possible If you have more than one pair, or if you only have 2 TDs and you find yourself up against German armor that can't be penetrated from the front, attack from more than one location (i.e. one pair from the front, and one from the side). Try not to expose yourself until all your tanks are in position to shoot. Finally, as most German tanks have a slow turret, try to distract the enemy with another target (e.g. bazooka team) before exposing your TD. This should give you time to get at least one unreturned shot. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-28-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kanonier Reichmann: Seems this thread could become an offshot of the Peng thread at this rate. Be that as it may... a serious question... from your immense Cesspooling experience how the hell do you use bloody M10 a.k.a. Wolverine's effectively? No matter if I purchase veteran crews, hunt them up a ridgeline with an enemy tank already targetted, sneak them around my opponents flank- they ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS die horrible deaths whilst doing s.f.a. to the enemy. Perhaps the simple answer is simply not to purchase them despite it being a poor mans way to get hold of mobile 76mm AT guns as it seems to me they fire slowly and never seem to hit their mark whilst the Axis units invariably hit them by the 2nd shot at the latest. Your thoughts anyone? Regards Jim R.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The simple answer is to use the M18 instead. The hellcat has two big advantages, fast speed and a fast turret, both of which are invaluable for obtaining flank shots on axis armor. Since most German tank guns will take out any American TD, the Hellcat's thinner armor is not much of a drawback. Also, especially in larger battles, the M18's speed allows you to shift your armor and concentrate your firepower fairly easily. Historically, the M10 was only a stopgap measure until the M18 was available anyway. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-28-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: Please play a game with me because I am so good, and so smart, and I am a pretty, pretty girl.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Got to grow a pair of nads before you get a game sonny. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: you'll never be anything more than the low-life cesspool dwellers that you are.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Complements will get you nowhere. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pillar: Airborne operations always take place in highly defensible terrain, like urban areas and broken ground. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Not so. During Desert Shield, the 82nd deployed to block Iraqi forces, which would have been armor heavy. This was not exactly close terrain, and long range tank killers would be at a premium in any such situation. The 82nd, like other light forces, are quickly deployable, and will fight wherever necessary, even if not well suited to the situation, until heavier follow-on forces can arrive.

So now Christmas is over, the last present is opened, the last piece of pumpkin pie eaten, and the last Bass Ale taken from the fridge. There is no time to discuss the finer points of Calvin and other heretics, there is killin' to be done. (What next? The Zen of CM? It is a sure sign of the coming if the apocalypse when theology is discussed in even semi-serious tones in the Cesspool.) Like the loaves and fishes, files will be sent tonight to the multitudes who are starving for my tender mercies. Hiram, too bad about Audrey. I hope your next kitty decides to use your pillow for its litterbox. God Save the Peng ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-27-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy: Or they intended to buy it? Sorry, read this in a newspaper article a long while back, that's why the disclaimer is at the end of the sentence. I believe it would be about as much (if not less) use than the Tetrach... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which is about how useful the M551s are. I was actually serious in asking if you had any information about any new U.S. decision to but the vehicle. Sorry if it came across wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jdmorse: Ahhhhh meekhamster, truly good to hear you are not yet polar bear scat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> There is still time, and Hiram doesn't want me to change my sig. any more. Meeks, smear some penguin guts on your head. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

As someone who generally plays the Allies, this will not impact my force selection as much as some other people; however, my vote is for 30% armor for both Axis and Allied in QB. The new 20% level does not provide sufficient flexibility in any smaller battles. With the current level, the Germans can't even buy a Mark IV in a 500 pt battle, and it makes it difficult to purchase an assault gun platoon for a combined arms attack in any moderately sized battle. I didn’t here any sort of outcry for the tweak to 20% armor. If anything, there were complaints when the autoselection didn't purchase enough armor in combined arms battles. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

I think about the most even fight would be Mark IV vs. Sherman M4 or M4A1 Both main guns have little problem with the other tank's armor. The Sherman's turret is faster, but the Mark IV has a smaller profile, and IIRC is better at long range. [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-21-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Speedy: You haven't fully escaped yet, here's more torture from that country music genius Slim Dusty. There's nothing more lonesome, morbid or drear, than to stand at the bar, in a pub with no beer. Hows that feel people? A bit queasy after being flipped upside down for a few seconds? Good, I am getting bored I need some more games so who is up for a brawl? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Goodonya mate, 'ows about: I like to have a beer with Duncan, I like to have a beer with Dunc. We drink in moderation, and we never, ever, ever get rollin' drunk. We drink at the Town and Country, where the atmosphere is great. I like to have a beer with Duncan, 'cause Duncan's me mate. (I don't remember the author. Actually its kind of frightening that I remember the words, as its been at least 15 years since I heard it) I'm up for a game. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-21-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jshandorf: 2) That STUG should have got a kill on your Sherman and the since they were BOTH buttoned the fact that the second saw him so fast and fired a 1st shot kill is very lucky indeed. Also that veteran crew reloaded about as fast as old people f*ck, slow and sloppy and it cost them. Dirty Huns. I hope they all die. Grrrrrrrrrrrr. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ya, you probably should have gotten one of the Shermans (although I don't think they were buttoned). But the point is there were two, and I'm on the attack and can afford one for one exchanges. Additionally, there were two TDs coming up fast that would have made the odds three to one, even if you killed the first Sherman. Humbly Submitted, Your ferret brained mongoloid opponent. ------------------ This message brought to you by Marlow's Salvage and Wrecking Service, Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread

On a slow moving section of the Schloss Peng, a the low sound of a muffled engine is barely audible over the bursting of gas bubbles rising from the depths below. Marlow, aboard the dingy 'Ol' Pisspot' returns victorious from battle with PT 212. The glow from the burning and sinking patrol boat is visible in the distance. The ears of her Captain hang on a string around Marlow's neck. Woo Hoo. My first win in the 'pool! Sir Lorak , Marlow - Win Croda - Lose Details to follow. What was that Sir Lorak? I'm not in the lists? What's going on here? … rune, you good for nothing betagoof! How can you sponsor a squire and not see to it that I'm on in the sacred lists of the pool? Once again you are shirking your responsibilities, much as you hid from Morse behind the Scroll of NDA. Just for that, I'm keeping Croda's ears for myself. Pull your head out, and maybe I'll give you Morse's, seeing as you won't play him yourself. Look what happened last time you tried to weasel out of your duty. You ordered PawBroon to play me in your place after I failed to show proper respect, and the Frenchman was so terrified (with good reason I might add) that he fled for the hills nary to be seen again. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dalem: If I didn't loathe you so much I'd compliment you. But I do, so I won't.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I know that all is right with the world when I see much outpouring of hate and derision directed my way. It warms the cockles of my small stony heart. But I think I should set a few things strait: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jshandorf: Marl-butt: You lucky little F'ing bastard. What chicken and on what altar do you sacrifice to get such breaks? If things couldn't swing your way more than pedophile in a playground. Damn you! You Suck! Jeff <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't use chickens, I use carrion birds such as Eagles for my sacrifice. Really a sort of worthless ****bird, Eagles, not terribly bright either. And it may look like luck to you my tuber brained friend, but examine the issue a little more closely. Exhibit 1: On the first turn, we had a little gun duel. You, 1 Tiger. Me, 2 Jacksons. Odds are I get the Tiger with at least one of the Jacksons, but in fact, luck was on your side and you cheated, killing one Jackson. The other has a failure of nerve and pops smoke. No matter, I press on. Exhibit 2: I hide my Jackson behind some trees, but nearby infantry watch your Tiger. The moment you pull it out of its covering position, I pull my TD into a spot where it has several good lanes of fire that divide your setup zone into several parts. Imagine my surprise when your tiger shows its backside, and trundles off away from me, right across one of my firing lanes. Bada bing, bada BOOM. No luck here; like taking candy from a baby. Exhibit 3: You actually had a very nice ambush position for your StuG; however, your timing was lousy. You sprung your trap when your track was head on with TWO SHERMANS AND TWO TANK DESTROYERS! res ipsa loquitur. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jdmorse: IamreallybeginningtoloatheMarlowe has pulled off a gutsy move. what frosts me is that I anticipated it, Hell, I set it up and got pimped by it. The far edge had a gap in the woods. I pulled my armor toward the middle of the map and snuck and hid a panzerschreck into a building that he'd have to drive past. I also then set my two PzIV's to reverse course and come hidden into hull down to pop what ever came thru. Well Kurtz'z nightmare bites on my little trap, sending two TD's roaring thru the gap. My PS targets one TD, which then boggs at extreme range in the fog, so the shot misses. In the mean time the other TD just waltz's past and my guys wave merrily while they prepare to shoot again into the thick fog at the TD far in the distance. And my PZ's? They are too busy picking their collective nozzles to notice this mad assed dash right past them. Then since their turrets are slow as molasses they get popped in the flank and the rear as the TD putts along. Fie I say. So it's infantry time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Mr. Morse, I recognize that you legal eagles are skilled at distorting the facts, so the jury may be confused by your closing argument. Now I present my rebuttal. I saw your little Panzershrecki boys in that building, I just knew that you would have a tough time hitting two M18s going full speed. If one hadn't bogged, I would have just killed your panzers that much quicker. Your panzers weren't just sittin around either, I had them tied up with my Bazooka teams and that TD to the front. It would have been a classic flanking maneuver, but you don't have any flank left on that side of the board. Only that PZ team and some broken and demoralized braut munchers. Don't worry, we'll take good care of them on the POW work farms in the U.S. One question though. How in the hell did you get so much friggin infantry? I keep a killin them, and its like "just shoot them, well make more." ------------------ This message brought to you by Stuka's Oaken Floors Proud Sponsor of The Cesspool aka The 'Meeks currently exists as Polar Bear excrement' Memorial Thread [This message has been edited by Marlow (edited 12-21-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Germanboy: a Wiesel (again a small ferret-like animal) airborne support tank that is in use by the US too, AFAIK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you have information on the U.S. airborne using this vehicle, I would be very interested. To the best of my recollection, the 82nd Airborne is still using the old M551.