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Gents a gentle prod we are keeping this thread open by talking about Ukraine. Russia has invaded Ukraine

@Warts 'n' all@Aragorn2002 Gents please take it outside...

Until I can find the reporting on the picture above I will not comment. Any link to the news article?

The arming of civilians looks pretty chaotic but does seem that they will be working alongside military units. I just hope they have AT support in trained hands to deal with the armoured vehicles. Brave people who stand up to the Russian cabal.

Nope it was a state to be viewed with caution... Embassys will be closed and movement restricted Govts will not be able Not to React as the public will force them. The Lord Haw Haws will be exposed for the Russian stooges they are... That has all changed and there will be less Russians on holiday in Turkey this year, the rouble has tanked and the Russian economy will suffer, there is no way back for the cabal that run Russia. The cabal might survive for years but this is a Sadam Hussien moment when he decided to invade Kuwait it will end badly but how and when who knows...

BBC reports https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447

Reports about last night show people taking shelter in the underground, I am guessing that we might not hear from him if he is taking shelter or taken up the offer of a free AK47. I hope he is safe and keeping his head down.

I saw reports yesterday that they were arming civilians with AK's I am not sure if that will do more harm than good if true.

Can you two take this outside of the thread? Please....

It's a tough thing to plan to destroy your own infrastructure, I am guessing they decided it is better to have it in place. In hindsight they might regret that choice?

Elvis has been very clear...

@John Kettler and others this thread is not a place for that discussion. I humbly suggest that this thread be kept free of such discussion so we can just focus on what is happening now in Ukraine. You want to talk about those issues fire up another thread and good luck in keeping it unlocked!!!

Thanks Elvis for that appropriate response and approach to keep this open, I sincerely appreciate the team keeping this open.

Didn't take long... The Alt Right mob in town. This thread is about Russian invasion of Ukraine any chance of keeping it that way?

They don't have to retake it as be able to bring the right weapons to bear on the runway. The only way this is going to bring Putin down is with the deaths of Russian service personnel. I am truly saddened that we are hoping Ukraine will inflict the maximum damage on the Russian forces, yet those that put them in harms way will have hot meals and vodka in their dachas tonight, may hell truly exist and be visited upon the Dick"tator who has brought this upon the innocent.

Haiduk Stay safe my anger and heart is with you and the Ukraine. I will be looking at ways I can offer help to aid charities that Ukraine will no doubt need. Not much I know but I want you to know that there are people who care.

Depends it takes two to fight... Ukraine now has a choice to make, how many people to lose? They wisely did not fight back when Crimea was taken by the little green men. The decision now is to is it worth it to fight? Easy for us armchair generals to say "fight to the last person" when we can safely sleep in our beds tonight...

Yep, the ball is with them, all we can do is see what they do with it. As for Ukraine getting militarily stronger, sure they can and it will increase any price in blood and tears for anyone attacking them, but that is already a high price today, which a wise man would not risk paying unless he really wanted land. In the past there have been such men but it ended badly for them.

For a country to invade and control another the loss in life and continued economic cost would be beyond most countries ability, especially if the local population of the invaded country does not want you there. If you have the ability to install a puppet government and the majority of the locals do nothing at best you have a continued drip drip of an armed insurrection guerrilla war to deal with. This will still entail too much of a cost. If you have some specific aims like getting water to an important military base then you might make some limited land grabs to provide that vital resource. As for a no fly zone that is already in place just not for the good guys. Think seriously on how you enforce a no fly zone....

Yes if Ukraine wanted to try and take them back. The reality is that Ukraine was and is not in anyway capable of taking back their land vs the full might of Russia. Especially now with all the Russian troops on their borders. All Putin is doing is a bit of theatre and solidifying what was in reality the situation already.

Wise words can people follow them? I hope so.

Thanks for the insights, really appreciated.

My prediction will no doubt come true, the usual suspects get a decent thread closed with utter bull@hit. Pathetic

Let's hope the troops are truly heading home and no more lives ruined by another world "dick"tator.