The Commissar

Nice post Jim...never thought about it myself, but now that you bring it up I suppose we should discuss this with BTS. I'd like to hear views about this myself, so I'm bumping this post. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Don't mess with the fighting Ruski-ladies. If any of you fellers have seen "Cross of Iron", you know what happens to raping Germans. Let's just say "Bye-bye Mr. Willy" ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Dammit Clark, how can you manage to post 1000000 posts on this poor board and only send me 1 file a day?!

I guess it's my turn to berate the newbie. *sigh* Ok, here goes: USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION! Heh-heh. Sorry, it's my first time really. Anyway, BTS has been asked to do something like you ask several times, but the majority rules, and BTS will keep the gameplay like CM1. No following the same platoon, nor the same unit, nor any sort of tied together campaign game. Hope that helps. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Hey guys, Recently, I fought in a PBEM which involved large numbers of infantry on each side, with the defender partaking in some guns and pillboxes. Well, being the defender, he hid and hid well. Since this was a large map, and defenders are known for hiding platoons in tiny little crevices and bits of wood, I used a whole 3 platoons of infantry (each squad split in half teams) to scout out the enemy. The scouting bit worked - most of his ambushes were spotted before hand. The bad part was the way I lost most of the men out of those scuting platoons. 3 Platoons is a big thing to lose. So I was wondering how YOU guys do your scouting. Do you designate special platoons esepcially for the task? Or do you use one squad out of a platoon to scout out your future positions? Please, post your tips and suggestions if any. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

I think Josh raises valid points. However, I ALSO think that most of these things are an issue of gameplay balance contrary to BTS' ignorance. We all know how devastating artillery can be, even in small numbers and with spotters. If every platoon leader could do this, and even if it was uneven and poorly directed, the sheer volume of fire would totally devastate the foe. Same thing with the half track. The machine gun it has now is deadly as it is. 4 machine guns cut everything in it's path tp ribbons. Yes, it was indeed this way in real life, however, it doesn't make for balanced gameplay. I know, i know, we like realism. Sometimes however, a line has to be drawn in the sand between what's playable and what's totally realistic. Just my 2 cents. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

I dunno what everyone sees in that Sub flick "Das Boot". A bit slow paced for me, but hey, that's my personal opinion. I loved Cross of Iron and SPR. Im about to watch Winter War and "Come and See". I especially expect great things from the latter, but until I watch it I can't really tell. Can't beat Russians for showing a good anti war movie though, with all the butchery of the Eastern front you only have to look up some records. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Wow, thanks for the wealth of info! I guess the German tanks were used, just didnt make much publicity as the Soviet designs who just about every body used. Thanks again!

I only bring this up because flipping through a book on tanks I purchased recently called "Tank versus Tank" I noticed just how licensed Soviet tanks became after the war ended. Now, considering the Germans had some excellent designs like the KT and the KT2 (which could have been perfected with further work) why did they not sell these tanks to the buyer? Was it because the US/USSR did not want anyone to have access to this sort of monstrosity? Or was it simply because the German tanks were actually inferior to the designs of other countries? Considering how effective the Panther and Tiger tanks proved during the war, why didn't the US or the USSR mass produce them (something both had the capability to do)? Anyway, just a few inquieries. Wanted to see what you guys think. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Well, in the early years it is my humble oppinion that the US troops were not up to the quality of the hardened Germans. With numbers, they did manage to suceed however. Later on in the war, the US gained it's own veterans and profficient fighters who were able to actually stand up to the Germans. Then again, by this time the Germans were fighting tooth and nail with the Russians on one side, and the Americans (reinforced by Brits and France) on the other. So whether it was skill or mass is hard to tell. I didn't read the book myself. I can't directly comment and expect it to be correct in my own eyes. What I can say is that I suspect that even though the German and US forces were about equal at some point, the Germans could have been tired, poorly fed, and bitter with the prolonged fighting. The US troops however were fresh and many. Well, just my 2 cents. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Just a bit off subject here guys, but I feel it's important: If you guys want to continue holding a conversation, let's not all abuse each other and make Steve have to lock this thread. Threads like this, if handled correctly, really bring color and variety to the board, IMO.

Just a bit off subject here guys, but I feel it's important: If you guys want to continue holding a conversation, let's not all abuse each other and make Steve have to lock this thread. Threads like this, if handled correctly, really bring color and variety to the board, IMO.

Scout, Point 1 - Getting one's soldiers killed is not a mark of a good army, yes. Winning a war against an enemy who bests you in almost every way useing poorly trained farmers is a mark of a devoted people and a strong (if tyranical) government. Point 2 - Americans were as you say "adapt at causing casualties" because 1) The enemy was overpowered. 2) The enemy was tired and depleted from other fronts. 3) The enemy was at the end of his logistical line and his industry was at its maximum, while the US was just beginning to really fight the war. So, as you see, the Germans in the West were not wimps. If you take one big tough guys and jump him with 5 not-so-tough guys, he has a challange on his hand. So suppose both sides are both struggling to win. Now comes in a 6th not-so-tough guy, who is fresh and not as tired as the others. The tough guy breaks simply because of numbers and the inflow of fresh resources. Point 3 - Blitzkrieg was indeed performed in France the the largest extent, but was also performed to a lesser extent in other fronts. Including Barbarossa (agh, the spelling!). Point 4 - Please, please don't put words in my mouth. Saying the US had not suffered as much is a fact. Saying I blame them for it is your imagination. Point 5 - No, it doesn't sound much like it. The Pacific war had no where the extent and brutallity of the Eastern front. There were land battles, but they were sparse and the fighting was none-constant, unlike the Eastern front. The brutallity was much less as well. Thanks for responding! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 10-10-2000).]

Well, I agree with you in part Bates. No need to really call anyone idiots. Extremely stubborn patriots, but not fully idiots Thing is, again IMO, one on one Germany could have taken on any country at the time. Especially if Germany was on defense. As was proven on the Eastern front, prolonged fighting for such a gigantic land mass that was the USSR demolishes even the best of armies. ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Yub, you're right Elijah. I've skipped the last 2 pages. 120+ posts is a bit too much for me since I have a limited amount of time. Could the US win the war all by itself...hmmm...IMHO, would have been very difficult. I also think that the US would have backed down after they had taken over a million casualties. US just can't handle so much dead, people complain and moan and the Govt is forced to give up. Think 'Nam. Same idea, IMO.

Look at all this, I say, a thread asking a simple question transformed into a thread glorifying the Americans and their contribution to the war. Reading through some but not all (sorry, I have a social life) of these posts it seems to me like there are a few people "defending the honor" of the US as the great savior or something of this sort. Yes, US did have a ton of money to burn on a war effort. No, that doesn't automatically make them great fighters or saviours of "the other guys" who just went in and took the most casualties. If anyone should be prased and honored it should be the poor Russian pesants who were given guns and forced to die in waves for a government most of them hated to be a part of. All these posts about Americans and their "great sacrifices" seem to forget that the US lost the least men and went through the "easiest" fighting out of most participants of the war. Now don't jump on me yet, I admit that dead men are dead men and a war is a war. Wars aren't a walk in the park. Even some of you die hard patriots here have to admit that the US fough considerably over powered enemies, both in the Pacific and in Europe. Some forget just how damn lucky the US is with their strategical possitions. If the US was created in the viccinity (bad spelling, I appologize) of Europe, how would it stand up to a Blitzkrieg? European countries did not have this natural advantage. Also, the US never went through the sort of suffering most of the other countries went through. On the Eastern front, the hatred between the two sides was so intense that villages of civilians would be butchered, prisoners would rarely be taken, and bodies of the dead desecrated to a horrendous extent. My grand father who fought for the USSR in the war has a photograph of this brutality. A dead German soldier is propped up on a stake implaed through his @$$. On his "willy" he has a sign hanging with an arrow pointing right that says "To Berlin". In the back ground my grand dad and his comrades are standing and smiling as if this was an every day sight. You know what? It probobly was. Now, the US fighting men did see their share of fighting and violence. You have to admit though, that in NONE of their campaigns has this sort of hatred was shared with any of the US' enemies. Just think about my points before continuing to praise the US fighting men, who have indeed earned their place in history, haven't seen just how brutal and dirty war can get. Well that was my little rant. No, wasn't too enjoyable I must admit, but that's war for you. ::edited for careless spelling:: ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 10-10-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ScoutPL: Its not like in the movies. In the movies they fire blanks so they fire on and on forever. Real world, you fire a machinegun like that and it'll blow up in your face after about 45-60 secs, because you'll melt the barrel.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Just out of curiosity, are you reffering to WW2 machine guns or does this happen to MG's today as well? ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Just a small suggestion by me... IMHO, I think it would actually be better if the bar got smaller as the condition worsened, as well as changeing in color to a reddish tint. Maybe it's just me and my "arcade fighting games" history, but Im used to seeing the health bar dissapear as I get beat up. Just a suggestion, and keep up the good work. Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

:: BE WARNED! THIS FOOTAGE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO WATCH FOR THE WEAK OF HEART!:: What you are about to witness is a footage recently discovered in the newley exposed archieves of the ex-USSR. This is the first time this grotesque film has come to light, depicting what appears to be a Soviet mass execution of captured German Hamstertroopen warriors. Note how despite their approaching demise, these little soldiers sing and twirl bravely in their last seconds of life! Your memory lives on little ones *sniff* http://www.newgrounds.com/assassin/hamster/ ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Hey guys, I've been wondering, is there any way to have several levels of experience available to you during selection? Why leave it to players to choose from 2 different experience levels? Why can't I choose between Regular AND green units? Why just Regular and Veterans? Im not trying to demand things of BTS, just wondering. Would be nice to not have to spend valuable points on recon units who will most likely bite the dust anyway (the poor buggers!) Thanks in advance, Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Wow, thanks for all that info guys! Wesreidau, I checked out your site and must say I found it very nicely built and having some excellent content! I think I'll purchase the game in question now. Holdit, Wow, these look like excellent book titles. Exactly what I had in mind. Do you think they have them over at Amazon? Reno, Amother excellent looking site! Much thanks. MikeO, I enjoyed Gettysburg, so this is a welcome surprise! Didn't know this was planned. Thanks! Monticello, Another great site...my bookmarks are getting filled up! RedDevils, How much you selling those miniatures for? OK, here's another question - is there any working muskets like the ones of the period being sold? I imagine they are worth quite a bit more then the replicas which do not fire, so Im just asking. I'm not (yet!) rich enough to afford a $200,000 old gun! Info would be appreciated, Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Hi guys, I started developing an unhealthy interest in the multiple wars of the 17-1800's. Something about the bright uniforms, Dragoons, cannons, volleys of musket fire and bayonet battles I guess. Anyway, seeing as how many of you fine folk here are on the level of historians for all sorts of wars, I'd like to ask here for some advice on recommended reading, gameing, and web surfing. Thanks in advance fellers, Cheers! ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

Pirated version: "CM2: Ho Ho Ho and a Barrel of Vodka" Ghetto Ebonix version: "CM2: Krauts Git' Beet!" Micro Machines version: "CM2: Shermans are STILL the best!" ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back" [This message has been edited by The Commissar (edited 10-07-2000).]

On the other hand, if any of the Allies saw that monster anywhere in the field crawling towards them, I'm betting they would abandon their little Shermans and rush in the opposite direction... Oh, and the site stated that each round would be 350 kg's...that's over half a ton I believe. Wonder how long it would take for the thing to reload. Yet then again, at an armor of waht must be several feet thick, Im not sure anything but a battleship's cannon would stand a chance of piercing it. Accompanied by many "guardian" tanks of a smaller variety (ie - KT's, Panthers ) this would actually be a pretty tough nut to crack assuming you got it to move at all ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"

ROFL! Good one Pillar, you never fale to make me laugh... Too bad those pics don't work ------------------ "...Every position, every meter of Soviet soil must be defended to the last drop of blood..." - Segment from Order 227 "Not a step back"