SS_PanzerLeader

Steve & CHarles -- thanks alot this was some great news and was the first thing I read this morning ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

KILO I will play ya soon as I dled -- Im looking for ICQ or AIM tho you up for this? Im dling now ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

hehe yah I was too but seems like he had more free time too much school and CM here -- Im emailing ya thanks ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

This is how I would like to see it, 1. All paramters given to recieving player unless agreed other wise - which would also be messaged to the recieving player by... "PLayer creating scenario has chose to keep parameters hidden" 2. would like points to each side ddisplayed at the start of the scenario.. incase of modifications (not sure if this is already there) 3. Would like to be able to view the map, but it be locked on viewing so nobody can change it. that way we know what terrain we are dealing with before purchasing ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Yes I agree this game is simply awesome but ... people please stop making posts saying we dont need TCP IP .. jsut because it has met all YOUR criterias; it is pretty selfish to say hey .... we dont need the rest of it and neither does anyone else. I LOVE CM... this game is the best game Ive ever purchased and ICQ is the best way to play it right now.... TCP IP will enable me to play MORE CM and faster please dont discourage BTS from releasing further patches that is what will keep this game what it is ... the best (hopefully they wouldnt listen to ya anyhow) ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Sorry Scott -- i dispute this my grandad was a warrant officer in the British Engineers as a Tank driver/gunner . HE saw MUCH combat and part of his job was to bring tanks from the front to the lines ... if he were alive to day Im sure he would be quite insulted by your opinion that the crews did nothing outside of ther vehicles ....THIS DOESNT NOT MEAN I CONDONE OVER-USE OR FREQUENT UNREALISTIC USE OF CREWS THO....... but in a pinch with plausibility they can be used IMO..... I DO THINK Assembling a whole force of crew members is soon some gamey crap tho ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

LoL Mr penguin in rare form ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

BTS has been pretty upfront about when TCP IP willbe released.. I probably want this more than anybody but I know when it comes it will work .. not like some other nameless companies wargames crappy multiplayer ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

My fav is Jagd Tiger but I dont buy them toomuch in CM -- CC2 thats another story I vary my buys alot in this game ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Ahh squeaks for me infamous CAPT FLUBBER the warrior maiden in a french maid outfit, tell me how goes the house work in the provinces of Lorraine? You demand only ICQ and you squirm and duck like a grub on a hook, wiggling yourself off into oblivion! You can bob and weave all you like I have a bead on you with my superUbergrid and your numbers all over it it DIE SWINE! ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Ok time for me to chime in again, some of you have called people that would use grids "people that would win at any cost" ....I find that insulting, I also find it unfactual! Some of the "realism fanatics" harp on "realism this and realiism that" but forget that no matter what THIS IS a game. These players have no problem spending an hour or two to make one move with one unit - Im not suprised that PBEM games take so long and so many shy away from ICQ; and god forbid TCP IP is a bad word! What I really don't get is how realistic is it to use your zoom feature? How realisitic is it to use any view but 1? How realistic is it to try and look at the map from a couple angles to determine where the gradient in the layout is going. I mean this goes on and one to the point of absurdity! I don't understand how its ok to take 36 hrs to make a turn all because these players want to make sure they made the right choices -- and THAT isnt gamey or unrealistic? At first I wasnt for or against it, I had an open mind - While posting my original post tho it seemed whether I liked it or not I wouldnt have any problems with others using it. Since that time I've tried it. I feel in a position to clear some things up 1. Your opponent will gain NO addvantage by using the grid other than speeding up his turn a little. 2. This super instantaeneous hull down argument is baseless... sorry if you try to hull down without going to view one to tweak you will get smoked or not have a shot! 3. back to the lack of realism see above 4. As far as distance calculations being super easy ... wrong answer that ain't happening--- In fact I could get range with the los tool much quicker that trying to calc the math, which would be involved in using the grid overlay (the overlay is not simply the tile eddges as it appears) Conclusion, I think that people should be left to make their own choices --- this isn't like editing units or something for chrissakes! This really is what i predicted it to be and what Madmatt claims it to be an "AID", no more no less. It's easier on your eyes it maes set up go a little faster, and unimportant moves a little more accurate due to the fact it isnt necessary to tweak every single move. If ya want hulldown tho by god you better use view 1. I am an honorable player, I hate cheaters , I hate players always tring to play some grey angled BS! This really isnt an advantage other than by personal preference.. aesthetically it doesnt look as real but being able to see the lay of the general lay of the terrain witthout zooming all over the map is a huge plus for PLAYABILITY. You guys that are bashing everybody I suggest that you at least try it before condemning everybody ... back up your directory load it up and see that your arguments are unfactual. Then just reload you back up directory to the way you like your game, with the knowledge that no one is getting over on you! Im sorry if anyone takes this post wrong it isnt intended to offend, although I do take issue with those that question peoples honor over a playability issue, and encourage these people to try this before slamming everyone! ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Well its nearly 24 hrs since I posted this and the response isnt too good! I sure hope this isnt an indication that there will be few TCPIP players-- IF you intend to play TCP please post here, so far this looks sad ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

welcome on board... welcome to your new addiction ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

hehe I dont currently know of any CM dominatrixes seriously though I would play ay but I got several going right now ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

I'd have to see the file - its hard to say what I would do next without looking at the situation first hand -- email it to me with pw if ya like ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Well if I were you opponent I dont think I wouldve been too upset by what ya did .. if at all .. Im not sure that I would ve viewed it as the best of options, nor necessarily the most realistic as it was definitley suicide with the stug there Some players may disagree.. but unless you were running cirles around it without a prayer .. it wouldnt be that bad IMO ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

this is my take on this...... any OVERUSE of little vehicles is gamey .... in other words if ya buy 20 of these these things just to tie up your opponent by messing with his LOS - thats gamey GROGS wills say having more than one is gamey -- I dont feel I should have to proofread a ww2 requisition manual and take several history courses just to play this game making sure i have "pure unit consistancy" ... that is the whole point of playing point matches , buy what ya want within reason. If you are attacking on a side with several things and you lose your tanks in the progress and dart your unis for cover thats not gamey. But trying to swarm an enemy tank that you cant possibly kill is gamey so basically it depends on you actual intent and the situation itself .. alot of grey and on that note if a player is one who is constantly exploiting serious grey areas that is gamey too ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out [This message has been edited by SS_PanzerLeader (edited 07-22-2000).]

Babrinella ... i believe it is yours ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

SF file transfers on ICQ can be great as long as both players are committed to actually playing a full game - try playing two at once with the same player and space the turns so both are taking a turn at the same time if possible Iw oulda been happy to play ya yesterday I finnaly gave up gettting an ICQ match around 330 pm and went to DIABLO 2 ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out [This message has been edited by SS_PanzerLeader (edited 07-22-2000).]

Hi bud Im on it now Seetting up the ICQ with FOOBAR ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Ok Several things have prompted my posting of this.... THe discussion of Grids, the lack of an overall roster and the reluctanc of people to play via ICQ to speed up gameplay I 'm wondering are there alot of CC2 vets here looking for TCP IP gammes that will be playble in a sitting? OR anybody that is for that matter please add your name ONLY if you are interested thanks ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

FOOBAR LET me down load the grid and I will play

Ok time for me to chime in : 1st and foremost I haven't downloaded the grid yet, but I am thinking about it. 1. For all that think the grid is gamey I strongly disagree, to me this is the same argument that think an overall unit roster is gamey! point in case: this information is already present and there is nothing stopping me from getting it within the game............ EXCEPT: TUNS of TEDIOUS time spent trying to get it! This is why I dont play big games!, not that I dont want to play bigger battles I just don't have the patience to micromanage every unit when there are 200 of them! I feel Im missing out on this aspect of the game .. but my playing is imparied on bigger battles because checking every single detail at view level one is VERY time consuming I simply don't have that kinda patience .. to me that says something because in close combat I was known for taking a LONG TIME in a game.... Some of my more epic battles took 5 1/2 hrs with a good opponent ie LT STAHLER I think JEBC and I had some long ones as well as HUNTER and several others IIRC which brings me to my next point and this one scares me! 2. TCP/IP ..... right now it seems tough to get to anyone to commit to a game on ICQ which speeds up exchanges! THIS IS VERY DISHEARTENING as I love playing this game! I'm hearing I dont want to rush my moves .... I dont have time....etc etc ... so on and so forth What the heck is gonna happen with TCP IP? This is something that is gonna destroy it before it starts IMO. If there are not some tools to speed up gameplay .... (note the keyword here that some seem to forget GAME, yes it is a game) Then nobody will be playing much TCP that is a HUGE BUMMER for me and Im sure it will be for others if we are having trouble geitiing a TCP IP match! on to the unrealisitic issue...... 3. players are saying it looks unrealisitic... I say so do the edges of my monitor . So does the feel of having to alter my view with my hand instead of my neck and eyes! SO is being able to "ZOOM IN" ....\ for those of you who will now counter by saying the word "binoculars" I have to say this as Im not an expert nor a grog but I do know for sure, that EVERY single unit in the field DID NOT have "binoculars" so by that argument no more zooming guys! now to the unfair advantage....... 4. I simply don't see it .. what edge are they getting that other players that can spend 5 hrs on a turn cannot gain also? All the info can be derived on field .. to me its JUST AS GAMEY to take tuns of time and measure every possiible angle from every unit and look at every possible outcome of every situation. Whats the diff here guys? In comclusion........ I guess of convinced my self that it is a legitimate addition, whether I will like having it or not I don't know .. But odds are I will try it for the main reason of SPEED of play .... this is one discouraging thing for me I CANT GET ENUFF DAMN CM IN A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whew ...... I feel better now ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out [This message has been edited by SS_PanzerLeader (edited 07-22-2000).]

HEy Jeb, Too bad about the work deal If youw ant we can get one going when ya get home - jsut set up a point battle and send me the setup wwith the parameters and we will take it from there - or if you are tight on time we can wait til the vers 103 patch comes out (they wont be backward compatible ) I cant seem me playing any CC anymore unless they pull a miracle on the 3d thing they are working(unless that is a BS rumor ) look forward to hearing from ya ------------------ SS_PanzerLeader.......out

Bringing this back up still looking for an ICQ match -- all these players and no takers?