stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 They are too heavy to carry by hand, just use a MMG. Do they still carry them like in ww2? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Speaking purely theoretically, a tripod-mounted HMG (.50cal or equivalent) is easier to dig in than one on the back of a vehicle, so there's a place for them in bases, temporary or permanent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagler Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So you can dismount your HMG from your vehicle then go and place it dug in in a house or nearby hasty fortification. Its easier to hide this way than hiding your HMMWV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 So you can dismount your HMG from your vehicle then go and place it dug in in a house or nearby hasty fortification. Its easier to hide this way than hiding your HMMWV. ok so good for defense and good for support within vehicle range, because it weights 125 pounds 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yea but why HMG when MMG will do. Also, when you're machine gun team is deployed, and you use the hide command, the gunner doesn't hide, what does that mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na Vaske Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 When you construct a fortified area that you plan to occupy for a an extended period, fixed HMGs are very useful.  I'm not sure what you are speaking on though, weapons squads in infantry platoons aren't assigned and don't carry 12.7mm MGs.  I carried  AGS-17 around the mountains for a time.  I am not interested in doing that again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yea but why HMG when MMG will do.Because .50BMG is longer ranged and harder-hitting. The same reason you put Ma Deuce on vehicles rather than a rifle-calibre MG. Sure, the extra weight is going to be a consideration, but the 125lb is breakable into humpable loads, if you're setting up a Sangar on the ridges to shoot downwards onto Hind flying along the valleys in the mountains of Afghanistan, for example. An emplaced HMG in MOUT will render many apparently safe positions from which to fire on the bunker not nearly as safe as they would have been if an MMG were in it's place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Because .50BMG is longer ranged and harder-hitting. The same reason you put Ma Deuce on vehicles rather than a rifle-calibre MG. Sure, the extra weight is going to be a consideration, but the 125lb is breakable into humpable loads, if you're setting up a Sangar on the ridges to shoot downwards onto Hind flying along the valleys in the mountains of Afghanistan, for example. An emplaced HMG in MOUT will render many apparently safe positions from which to fire on the bunker not nearly as safe as they would have been if an MMG were in it's place. I never thought of it that way, different people moving different parts, I thought they just carried the whole thing. Yea, I mean, it depends on the situation. If there aren't any bunkers I'd just go for something lighter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 When you construct a fortified area that you plan to occupy for a an extended period, fixed HMGs are very useful.  I'm not sure what you are speaking on though, weapons squads in infantry platoons aren't assigned and don't carry 12.7mm MGs.  I carried  AGS-17 around the mountains for a time.  I am not interested in doing that again. dude you carried the whole thing? Or did you break it apart and carry it with your buds? I went with 10 pounds in the mountains and my shoulders ached. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na Vaske Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 dude you carried the whole thing? Or did you break it apart and carry it with your buds? I went with 10 pounds in the mountains and my shoulders ached. Â My buds were the gun team I was assigned to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) My buds were the gun team I was assigned to. so you didn't carry all of it. Edited January 6, 2015 by stealthsilent1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 dude you carried the whole thing? Or did you break it apart and carry it with your buds? I went with 10 pounds in the mountains and my shoulders ached. You could just google this stuff. If something is manportable then it will break down into manportable pieces; in the case of AGS the gun itself weighs 18kg, tripod mount 12kg and an ammo belt 15kg. Having lugged a 140kg recoilless rifle in a forest covered with deep snow, AGS-17 would be like a bag of feathers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 You could just google this stuff. If something is manportable then it will break down into manportable pieces; in the case of AGS the gun itself weighs 18kg, tripod mount 12kg and an ammo belt 15kg. Having lugged a 140kg recoilless rifle in a forest covered with deep snow, AGS-17 would be like a bag of feathers! no way you carried that whole thing. Cm BS! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 no way you carried that whole thing. Cm BS! Â I'm sure he was only carrying one end of it, but ... you do know he's a Finn, right ? Â You'd better retract any claims of BS before he finds your house with a PMD ( Pine-cone of Mass Destruction ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthsilent1 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 I'm sure he was only carrying one end of it, but ... you do know he's a Finn, right ? Â You'd better retract any claims of BS before he finds your house with a PMD ( Pine-cone of Mass Destruction ) in my butt? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 As folks have already mentioned, when man-carried it is broken down into a smaller load. Â In US Infantry Brigades (as in light infantry/airborne) too, it's usually carried by a HMMWV too and dismounted as the mission requires. Â One of the big advantages the .50 cal offers over a medium machine gun is the range, and the massive hitting power. Â I worked with guys who engaged BMPs with..50 cal, and from the frontal arc it resulted in a vehicle kill, but from the flanks the rounds left exit holes, meaning it was able to penetrate the side armor, everything in between, and still had enough energy to punch through the side armor again. Â It's a great weapon against light armor/APC type vehicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Just for reference approach march loads routinely exceed 35 kilos, and 40 plus is not uncommon. Â You just have to have a reasonable expectation of what a person can do while carrying it. Â Unless it a special forces qualification course, then the expectations are intentionally UNREASONABLE. Â There is whole genre of inside jokes on this forum related to the exceptional performance of the Finns against the Soviets in that viscous little warm up for WW2 they had. Â You need to read at least the Wikipedia synopsis for them to make any sense at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 no way you carried that whole thing. Cm BS! I never said I was carrying it the 90mm recoilless rifle in question has a wheeled mount and in winter it is put on a sled for mobility on snow. But it was still a lot of work to get it up a hill, especially when you were already struggling knee deep in snow! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I thought a Finn knee deep in snow was how you learned to walk as a toddler. What is this knee deep in snow as difficult nonsense? Anyone want to check his IP and verify we have a real Finn here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I recall reading somewhere that the current record for sniping range (or at least close to the record) goes to a .50 cal hmg with a high powered sniper scope mounted to it. The .50 cal's commonly stated effective range limitation is more a function of the iron sights than of the ballistics of the gun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzrak Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 From Wiki...  M2 as a sniper rifle The M2 machine gun has also been used as a long-range sniper rifle, when equipped with a telescopic sight. Soldiers during the Korean War used scoped M2s in the role of a sniper rifle, but the practice was most notably used by US Marine Corps sniper Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam War. Using an Unertl telescopic sight and a mounting bracket of his own design, Hathcock could quickly convert the M2 into a sniper rifle, using the traversing-and-elevating (T&E) mechanism attached to the tripod. When firing semi-automatically, Hathcock hit man-size targets beyond 1,800 metres (2,000 yd)—twice the range of a standard-caliber sniper rifle of the time (a .30-06Winchester Model 70). In fact, Hathcock set the record for the longest confirmed kill at 2,250 metres (2,460 yd), a record which stood until 2002, when it was broken in Afghanistan by Canadian Forces sniper Arron Perry.  Perry used the 50.Cal McMillan Brothers TAC15 (designated as the C15 Long Range Sniper Weapon by the Canadian Forces), 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Having lugged a 140kg recoilless rifle in a forest covered with deep snow... Â What??? That can't be right, can it? That's 308 lbs. How many men could even lift that, much less walk a step or two with it. Â Â Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I never said I was carrying it  Ahem. You were definitely implying it. Shame on you!   Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's a great weapon against light armor/APC type vehicles.  Which is not entirely surprising since—if I understand correctly—the round was originally developed in WW I as an anti-armor round.  Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisND Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 The dismounted .50 cal MG is not normally assigned to US formations in Black Sea. However, the humvees belonging to Assault platoons in the Infantry battalions can dismount their .50cals and Mk.19s if desired. One good example is to be able to lug the weapon into a building... kinda hard to squeeze a Humvee in there! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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