hm_stanley Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 I'm not sure this is posted anywhere, I'm sure Steve has talked about this.. but is the Germany order of battle made up of elements from the following divisions and regiments? I'm looking for information in and around 6/6/44 - 6/30/44 (shortly after the release of Lehr) German: 352nd Infantry Division, with the 916th Grenadier Regiment attachedBattalions from Panzer Lehr (the teachers)94th Infantry Division (reconstituted from soviet theatre)91st Infantry Division (then reformed as the 344th)243 Infantry Division920th Infantry Regiment 921st Infantry Regiment 922nd Infantry Regiment On the American Side 1st Infantry Div29th Infantry82nd Airborne4th Infantry Division502 and 506 Parachute RegimentsRanger Battalion (not sure who they were attached to) It appears there are no SS in the game, correct? (or attached battalions). This would make later scenarios harder, since many SS divisions participated in Lüttich, etc. By that point, most regular Heer units were below strength. In addition, I'm trying to understand the TO&E inside the scenarios.. or are these just "historically" accurate representations of order of battle for the German Heer in 6/44? Meaning, where did Steve get the info and on what Regiment did he base his TO&E on? Basically this all boils down to is that I'm trying to compile some information on units involved the initial release of Lehr 6/15/44, and those small unit recon advances into Omaha/Utah. Those battles/mini-campaigns would be fun to re-create, and I plan on trying. I would like to be both faithful to the scenery and units involved (using google earth and old pictures) My favorite canned battle thus far has been "dogs and cats", what a great scenarios from either player. I love recon unit meeting engagement battles.. they are such fun.. two bricks smacking into one another.. he who gets the most firepower wins, or gets lucky. I've played that scenario six times, 4 as German and 2 as US, I've only won twice... once as American and Once as German.. I think that makes for a good scenario. BTW, I didn't realize how many fusilier companies were part of a Heer battalion.. I went scouring over material today.. I really only thought those were part of British Commonwealth TO&E, but I was wrong. I guess Does anyone know what distinguishes a fusilier battalion from a standard grenadier battalion? I always thought a fusilier battalion was light infantry, recon (traditional british term for light muskets) and a grenadier battalion was heavier, MG, mortars, the like. I guess I always thought a heer recon unit was named Aufklärung, hey learn something everyday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 The TO&E for both sides is based on "standard" formations for the selected date, not specific units. The editor gives you much flexibility to rename and customize these formations to reflect specific units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 You may find some decent info here. http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=97080 and here (mostly pics though) but if I remember correctly my mods have all the US Divisions involved...I think they are named in the readme, http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=97218 Here's some of what I used to find info on the mod. http://www.history.army.mil/documents/ETO-OB/ETOOB-TOC.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_divisions_during_World_War_II http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=763 http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=678 Your scenario ideas sound great. Good luck with them! Oh, and you'll have SS and FJs...just have to wait until the Brit/Commonwealth Module. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wodin Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Yeah scenario makers customise the ToE and give the unit a name whilst making the scenario...all the equipment and troops are there...you just need to pick them and then tell the players what units they are fighting\playing with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Have a look here mate, all sort of official information from the time http://www.lonesentry.com/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clavicula_Nox Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 The Provisional Ranger Force was attached to 29th ID. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Good stuff on 2nd Ranger Bn here: http://etd.lib.fsu.edu/theses/available/etd-07112005-223056/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Seems to me you may have overlooked some. What about the rest of the 101st Abn? And the glider infantry regiments? Corps and Army attachments? Mechanized Cavalry Squadrons? Just to name a few. Just in case you need some inspiration, here's some places to start looking: http://www.history.army.mil/html/reference/Normandy/asltforce.html http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-4/7-4_9.HTM http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-4/7-4_10.HTM http://www.history.army.mil/BOOKS/WWII/100-11/100-11.htm If you can, I suggest you obtain a copy of Shelby Stanton's book Order of Battle, US Army, World War II, it has details of every battalion, regiment, division, corps, army and army group including infantry, tank, artillery, cavalry reconnaissance, engineer, TD, AA and support unit you can think of, when they were committed, what weapons they had, etc. Good luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 This link gives some good data from offical sources too. Look down the page to American Forces in Action, quite detailled http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/ETO/Overlord/index.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Cliff Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 No SS?? Didn't 17th SS PGD fight opposite Carentan against the 101st? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 No SS?? Didn't 17th SS PGD fight opposite Carentan against the 101st? Yes they did. And they performed pretty well as far as I can recall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cull Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 No SS?? Didn't 17th SS PGD fight opposite Carentan against the 101st? SS are scheduled to appear in the first module released, along with FJ and "Commonwealth" forces (as mentioned in the 3rd post of this very thread) Yes, the 17th SS counter-attacked toward Carentan on June 13 but was repulsed, largely by Combat Command A of the US 2nd Armored. So no...out of the box CMBN can't accurately model the battle for Carentan at the moment, or various other actions in Normandy. But we sort of can via scenario designers (with the unit renaming features), and some uniform and vehicle mods. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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