c3k Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Tell me about it. This lack of OpenGL support by nvidia has tipped me into the ATI camp for my current build. It's a free market: Nvidia's drivers broke the rendering; ATI's work. Hence, my money follows the producer which meets my needs. (Currently using a Q6600 CPU and an 8800GTX GPU; Building a Phenom II, HD5000.) I hope Nvidia starts supporting existing users better, rather than trying to get a fast buck with new razzle-dazzle fermi marketspeak. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny(FGM) Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I had an ATI card for years, then when i got my new card i got an ATI, i had that for a day and after that all that it would do was turn its fan up to full (The PC wouldn't even finish booting up) so i traded it in for an NVIDIA. When i get my next build this will tempt me to go back to ATI but then again when the next round of drivers comes around NVIDIA might well have fixed this and ATI break it again. It seems we are basically at the mercy of the driver builders here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpainEd Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It feels good knowing I'm not the only one with this problem. I first had this problem when I replaced my older 8600GT with a GTS250. I was worried because I thought that the card was defective. Now I realize that after installing it I also installed the latest drivers. The problem is that I can't use older drivers, since the newer ones give me a big performance boost with everything. I'll try pre-190 drivers, but I feel I'll be moving back to my current drivers after 10 minutes. At least the bug isn't really serious, and my card is fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptWasp Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 using 257.21? Out today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fūrinkazan Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I tried the new 257.21 drivers and the flashing problem is still here. I also modified the game profile with nhancer, an utility that is very useful to tweak games (you can change nvidia profiles : sli, antialiasing etc...) but it didn't fix the problem. I tried the new drivers with il2 1946, also an opengl game, and there was no flashing problem at night. So i decided to make a copy of il2 profile to use it with cmsf without success. It seems nvidia did not change anything about that bug and i'm afraid that we will have to revert to old drivers or to live with this. I noticed that when you shoot with a machine gun for exemple, you see the flash when you're behind it but not when you're in front and the shooter is behind you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptWasp Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'm very disappointed. Thank your for the info. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankster65 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'm starting to get pissed at Nvidia. I've wanted to get the latest drivers now for quite some time but since I play CMSF a lot, I don't due to this problem. Some of you guys said you've opened up a "ticket" with Nvidia. Where does one do this? I'd like to voice my displeasure with them as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This is where you can provide driver feedback (click on the "Provide Driver Feedback" link for the actual form). I'm not sure how closely Nvidia monitors this and uses it for bug reports. This Ask a Question support form is more geared towards usage and configuration issues rather than bugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogchurchill Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Tried the new NVIDIA drivers (257.21) and we are back to the disappearing soldiers/terrain when shadows are turned on. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. Seem to remember this was an issue with the drivers and OpenGL support, but maybe my memory fails me, and there was some tweak to solve it in the NVIDIA control panel. Shame, cos I seemed to have got a little (but noticable) performance improvement with the new driver. On the other hand, perhaps that's cos no shadows are rendered...!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I am having the flashing issue also. Using the 257.21 drivers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fūrinkazan Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 I have just tried the new 258.96 beta drivers from Nvidia and the flashing problem is still here. I don't think that we can expect better results with the next official drivers. Each time i tested the beta, the official drivers had the same problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogchurchill Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 One advantage of the new 258.96 drivers is that the disappearing men linked to turning shadows on/off is solved again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Really feel for you guys with Nvidia cards So frustrating isn't it. ATI cards aren't suffering quite the same array of problems although I think I've got the flashing textures problem - but I haven't noticed it lately. Maybe ATI have fixed it with the latest drivers.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 According to BoB the players with ATI cards experience no end of problems - at least with CM1. It became a rule - don't buy ATI. Not sure what changed in CM2. But, this is the first time I've heard of nVidia problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 That's correct Erwin, but ATI have definitely upped their game of late, and to be honest the majority of problems now seem to afflict users of Nvidia cards. Either way, I wish something could be done to erradicate on both levels. I'm fed up with it really. But this isn't a dig at BFC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 ... The only advantage we have over consumers is specifying the exact details of the OpenGL code we are using that their drivers are having problem with... Can you do this here? http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=285148#Post285148 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I'll ask and see if either Charles or Philip can/wants to be involved with submitting some of the code to the OpenGL Forum. One major problem though is the amount of code that may need to be submitted in order to get useful feedback on the issue. The lighting code may be complex enough that it would be hard to submit enough of the requisite code examples to get some sort of diagnostic from anyone with enough knowledge to look through it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Thanks, I've got my fingers crossed... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 Just installed an HD6870... CMSF/CMA run are running sweeeeet. I haven't seen the flash issue: Driver v10.10 (no hotfix applied), Windows 7, 64. I have the flash issue with my other machine, running an 8800GTX and driver 260.99 on Vista64. Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Just installed an HD6870... CMSF/CMA run are running sweeeeet. I haven't seen the flash issue: Driver v10.10 (no hotfix applied), Windows 7, 64. I have the flash issue with my other machine, running an 8800GTX and driver 260.99 on Vista64. Ken No way? Seriously? It's fixed with the latest ATI drivers??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 I don't want to go THAT far. I've only run a couple of night QB's as tests, and the muzzle flashing certainly did not light up every building. As soon as I'd done some firing, I exited. So, I wouldn't even call it a test; in my run through, I did not see the flashing with which we are all so familiar. Try the new drivers. If they don't help, roll 'em back. Ken Edited for this: I run anywhere from 2 to 5 PC's at home at a time, depending on upgrade paths and needs. (Okay, not "needs" how about "compulsions"?) After Nvidia broke their implementation of OpenGL for THIS game, I waited for a fix. With none forthcoming, I voted with my wallet. ATI/AMD got my money. I am very satisfied with the HD6870. My 8800GTX will need to be replaced soon. The 3rd machine I have will also need a video card. I will continue to vote with my wallet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil stanbridge Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I've got a Nvidia 470GTX so the ATI drivers are no use to me. But I am interested because if they are fixed then that determines my next upgrade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrullenhaft Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 The ATI/AMD drivers never suffered from this particular problem of 'flashing' that the Nvidia drivers do (to my knowledge). That's why it appears to us as if there is something wrong with Nvidia's drivers and not our code. The pathways taken in drivers to render OpenGL commands to the screen can be quite different between the video chip developers. In fact they can often be quite different between certain driver iterations from the same company. The 190 series from Nvidia started supporting OpenGL 3.1 (and higher). It possible that with the new OpenGL support that certain things may have been changed significantly within the driver's pathways that are causing us problems. I'm not very familiar with OpenGL's deprecations that may have happened with the 3.x spec, but I wouldn't have thought that there is anything we're specifically doing that is relying on a deprecated OpenGL extension. I've submitted a request for Charles or Phillip to look into the thread on the OpenGL forum and see if it would be useful for them. However right now they're busy and I'm not sure how useful the feedback may be on that forum. While some Nvidia engineers browse the forum on occasion, I'm not sure how likely we are to get a reply from Nvidia engineers or anyone else who may be able to interpret the code and see the issue and point us in a useful direction. Charles or Phillip may participate in the forum discussion that was started, but I don't know when or if they will have the time or inclination to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I don't know who did what, but I really want to say, post 1.31, thanks for fixing this how ever it happened. (an aside to ken, I too will be replacing an 8800gtx soon and I'm seriously considering doing so with 2 HD6870's in crossfire. Has your HD6870 remained issue free since your earlier post?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 Yes, the 6870 has been issue free. However, as you state, the 1.31 patch should fix the nvidia bug. Kudos to BF.C. I'm still running the 8800gtx (it will probably be replaced and migrate to another machine), but have not tested it to ensure the patch fixed the lighting issue. (I have no reason to think it isn't fixed.) It now comes back to picking a video card based on factors OTHER than night battles in CM. Crossfire 6870's? Sounds like fun. Regards, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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