LongLeftFlank Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 When playing Red, I have a problem with Uncon IED triggermen unhiding themselves and using their rifles on available enemies, promptly getting themselves greased before their IED ever gets used. Restricted covered arcs don't seem to stop this behaviour. In the next patch (NATO module?) is it possible to get these folks to be a bit less likely to UNHIDE when HIDING, or less likely to use their rifles when they have an activated IED? Or else just take their rifles away so they aren't tempted to become infantry. Thanks.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I seem to recall back at the initial release the IED triggerman was an unarmed 'spy', wasn't he? I thought that was how it was up through patch v1.07. Perhaps I'm misrecalling. Maybe they switched them to fighters so Allies wouldn't be seen shooting 'unarmed civilians' in-game. There's a short list of units that need to get greater control of their fire discipline. IED triggerman, sniper team spotters and FO/TAC Air. Though I haven't had problems with my spotters opening fire lately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 to take away the weapon of the trigger man would help a great deal, he doesnt need one anyways most of the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 I seem to recall unarmed triggermen too. I did some searching of the board topics and nothing relevant came up on this subject. Speaking more broadly, it would be helpful to just get infantry under a HIDE order to stay that way until, say, the unit is fired upon resulting in casualties or an enemy unit enters the same location, or something like that. I suppose I would expect that lousy fire discipline of Conscript or Green troops and maybe of Regular Uncons, but not of better trained troops, or specialists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEzra Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I'm with pandur: Triggermen are supposed to look and act like civilians...no weapons needed just calm, steely nerves... although a death wish would be big asset, I would suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 Actually, in Iraq and A-stan, IED planters and triggermen are often underemployed locals, sometimes teenagers, with little training. In Ramadi during the bad times (2004-2006), I think the going rate was about US $20, with bonus for destroying a Coalition vehicle. Of course, in the CMSF Syria mythos, you'd have more highly motivated and probably better trained Uncon triggermen striking the Coalition advance as semi-organized partisans or fedayeen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandur Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 well most IED triggerman are conscripts or greens in CMSF too, from what i have seens. but they got a weapon wich gives em the false impression to be able to duke it out with the blue guys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Give them a pistol only, if that will decrease their engagement range. I like the idea of them being able to shoot it out if they are compromised by a unit stumbling across them, but not the idea of them engaging at range. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets_All_Fight Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I've been working on a scenario with IED's in it and this one has been bugging me too. I wondered whether some of the small arms fire is taking place after a trigger man has activated his IED and it has failed to explode which, AFAIK, is possible. Of course, this doesn't really explain the behavior fully and doesn't explain unobserved FO's suddenly deciding to engage with small arms from range. Incidentally, I notice there is an unarmed uncon 'spy FO' which I don't remember seeing before. Did this come in the Brit module or has it always been there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrspawn Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 I've been working on a scenario with IED's in it and this one has been bugging me too. I wondered whether some of the small arms fire is taking place after a trigger man has activated his IED and it has failed to explode which, AFAIK, is possible. Of course, this doesn't really explain the behavior fully and doesn't explain unobserved FO's suddenly deciding to engage with small arms from range. Incidentally, I notice there is an unarmed uncon 'spy FO' which I don't remember seeing before. Did this come in the Brit module or has it always been there? Just give him no ammo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Even "scarce" ammo gives some rounds. Will that stop him from both unhiding and shooting? As for the spy FO, it was part of the patch. I haven't bought Brit module (yet) and I have him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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