M1A1TC Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 The Red side gets to use IEDs in game, why doesnt Blue get to use Claymores? BFC, fix or somethink 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costard Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Good idea - how about being able to set up defensive minefields: that'd rock my boat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I think U.S. military forces are no longer allowed to use non-command detonated mines - except in DMZ. Claymores might still be okay though... not sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1A1TC Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 My unit just went to weapon qual. last month - saw troops training with claymores 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Claymores are, of course, command detonated. I thought the US had rejected the land mine treaty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Technically, all mines detonate on command. Normally the user interface requires you to step or drive on it, though. Even a claymore can be set enemy-detonated if so desired. Maybe the current ROE calls for not using land mines in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, because the local government has asked so. At least I suspect that to be the case for Afghanistan, where the operation is led by NATO. And which is already cluttered with mines... Btw. are Soviet mine dogs command detonated or enemy detonated? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Editor placed claymores would probably work. Placement during a game would probably be incredibly fiddly to get to work right/realistically and would probably be hideously abused by us. I'm speculating here, but I'm thinking BFC, realizing it's more trouble then it's worth, have the following explanation ready: "The US are waging a war of manoeuvre and are far to busy for mines." You may or may not agree with that, but I reckon it's the smart thing to do. Do not open the can labelled 'worms'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Btw. are Soviet mine dogs command detonated or enemy detonated? As you well know Sergei, Soviet mine dogs had a famous penchant for crawling under their own sides tanks due to unfortunate training practises. Ergo the answer to your question is: Both! Begs the question, what were the NKVD dogs doing as all this happened?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Tiger Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hmm, a bit of overkill maybe seeing as how the US side already MASSIVELY outguns it's CMSF opponent, which is realistic. However, they DO have them. Perhaps you could simply buy Red IEDs in the scenario editor and use them like that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Sergei, If you look at the picture on the link, you'll see an antenna like affair sticking up from the dog mine's back. That is a tilt rod fuze, which activates the explosives as the dog runs under the tank. According to Suvorov, they are (at least circa 1989) still part of the Spetsnaz arsenal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I'd say claymores belong in, along with shaped charge IED's for UNCON's. But that would require some extra AI coding so the AI understands to trigger it only if enemy enters the claymore's area of effect (instead of just coming close to it, regardless of direction). That reduces the likelihood of it happening anytime soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Claymores would be used defensively in most cases by US troops, i.e. on static perimeter positions in base camps or temporary positions during large operations. I really dont see where they would be effective in a CMSF scenario, unless one was designed where no other American firepower could be brought to use in an engagement. That wouldn't happen too often IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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