Renaud Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 The M1 pop-smoke grenade modeling is nice but very different from the reality. Someone has probably noted this, but I couldn't find it in the forum so just in case I will point it out as well...I know you are a stickler for details! related thread: http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=001237#000022 The M1 can fire smoke in 2 seperate volleys of 6 grenades per volley, 3 grenades firing per launcher per volley (so you should be able to pop smoke twice without having to get out and manually reload - a lengthy operation which I can understand not modeling in cmx2 as it's out of scope for a tac engagement). Each volley instantly creates a visually impenetrable and large hemisphere of smoke over and in front of the tank, but also complete enclosing the tank. The grenades go off in the air about 20 feet high. Also, the M1 used to have a engine-based smoke generator which worked by showering the exhaust grill with vaporized diesel (2 gal/minute) creating a truly monstrous could of smoke behind the vehicle, similiar to the dust trail modeling but thicker/bigger/longerlasting. All this depends on wind speed/direction of course, the effect of which is nicely modeled currently. Note this is info from the 90's but the grenade launchers look exactly the same so I really doubt this has changed. I don't know if the engine smoke generator is still in service. It was an integral part of M1 fuel system so I would guess so. You should be able to find a video demonstration, i'm too lazy at the moment and I think i've described it pretty well. I believe this is probably true of the other smoke-gren discharger equipped US vehicles as well, but can't be sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I haven't tried the smoke with the M1 yet but with the Stryker it looks like a big dust cloud. Unless things have changed the smoke clouds should be white. Overall I am rather shocked by the lack of smoke in the game. Our guys may not be using it in Iraq right now but during a conventional war in Syria the whole country would look like a London fog had rolled in. Especially in MOUT ops over open terrain. By the way, do they still have the smoke generator Hummer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tc237 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Originally posted by Renaud: ...I don't know if the engine smoke generator is still in service. It was an integral part of M1 fuel system so I would guess so.The engine smoke generator was disconnected sometime in the early 90's. I've never seen it used, I'm sure a unit here or there tried it, but in the 4 different armor battalions I served in over 14 years never used it. It is just too dangerous to squirt fuel on the super hot engine exhaust. The quick disconnects and hoses are still there, so it would probably be a matter of reconnnecting and resetting a circuit breaker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I don't think I have ever seen an M1 generate smoke other than with the grenade launcher (which is really cool to watch). I saw a couple M60s use their smoke makers once but that was about it. I didn't know they were disconnected in the M1. I just thought they were a bitch to clean or something, so guys just didn't use them in training. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Rudd Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Don't Russian tanks also have the ability to generate smoke screens from the engine exhaust also? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipuli Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Yeah, also BMPs Rudd... But I've noticed that the smoke doesn't block vision even from Syrian infantry. This is the Stryker smoke, haven't tried the rest yet. Looks like something is wrong with it - I understand TI seeing thru, but not bare eye. Zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 It seemed to work when I tried it during the training campaign. My guys were taking heavy fire till I moved a Stryker up and popped smoke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipuli Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Hmm, didn't work for me.. Tried it right after popping smoke, after smoke has spread and even right before it is gone, but always the squad dismounting behind the smoke gets blasted away by Syrians on the other side of the smokescreen. Zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 If BFC needs a reference, the History Channel program "Heavy Metal" did a show on the M1, which includes very good footage of an M1 firing its smoke grenades during a training exercise. As mentioned, it's pretty much instantaneous, and produces a large shroud of smoke around the vehicle. I assume this gives the M1A1 the capability to get smoke out there quickly enough to have a shot a throwing off the aim of an ATGM in flight. Assuming I'm correct, 'Twould be nice to see this modeled in CM:SF. Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Bradleys also can use their engine smoke generator, plus the eight smoke grenade launchers on the turret (2 sets of four).However the smoke grenades have to be reloaded after each use as it fires all eight at once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted August 5, 2007 Author Share Posted August 5, 2007 It is just too dangerous to squirt fuel on the super hot engine exhaust. Awww...to bad. I guess someone burned up so they disconnected them. We used them a lot at Ft. Irwin for years with never a problem (that I experienced or heard about). We never had to clean anything - maybe that's why someone finally caught on fire lol. Diesel has a really high flash point - you can put a match out in it (don't try at home). It does use a lot of fuel though, not a minor consideration on this gashog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Renaud, Who were you with when you went to Irwin? I last went there in March 97 (or something like that). It was the first heavy/light Force XXI rotation. I was with 1/5 INF 1st Bgd 25th ID. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tc237 Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Originally posted by Renaud: ....We used them a lot at Ft. Irwin for years with never a problem (that I experienced or heard about)....On M1's? I think that is one thing I would really have liked to see myself also. Oh well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xen Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 yea we what smoke like this Why is the smoke brown in this video ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 I know that one of the things they did to make the smoke TI proof was to add clay to it. Maybe that is one type. All the ones I have seen go off were white. Saw a Leo II set his off when I was OPFOR and we were fighting the Dutch. He did it just as I came around a corner about 75 meters from him. Scared the crap out of me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius359au Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Originally posted by Xen: yea we what smoke like this Why is the smoke brown in this video ? Im wondering if the second one might be VIRSS - Visual and Infrared suppressing smoke - especially when you see the big black splotch for the smoke in the last scene and it blocks the background. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted August 6, 2007 Author Share Posted August 6, 2007 Wow, the grenades fly out a lot farther than I remember. The ones I remember fly up and forward and blow up in the air, kinda like the Leopard grenades. Those brown ones have gotta be the new IR blocking smoke (red phosphorus or something). I was with 2/3rd ACR: NTC 87 and 89, reforger 88, reserve armor battalion TC in ODS 91. Smoke of all sorts was still OK back then I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 I was with 199th Inf Bde during my first rotation in 91, with 1-9 INF in 95, and with 1-5 INF in 97. 199th later was reflagged as 2ACR and I became part of 2/2 ACR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exel Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 I have to agree with OP. The smoke we see in CMSF - or at least its visual effect - is an abysmal reflection of its real-life counterpart. The smoke modern (Western) tanks fire pops up 15 meters in the air and lands a curtain of dense smoke 50 meters in front of the tank. It's essentially a giant wall of smoke, not a few small puffs here and there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ng cavscout Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Originally posted by sgtgoody (esq): I was with 199th Inf Bde during my first rotation in 91, with 1-9 INF in 95, and with 1-5 INF in 97. 199th later was reflagged as 2ACR and I became part of 2/2 ACR. I was in 9th ID from 90 till it became the 199th in 91, finally left Lewis in 92 for Ft. Carson. Was in 1/9 Cav, on a 50 cal HMMWV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I was on a TOW hummer for a while then got a Mk19 truck of my very own. I love that weapon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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