von Lucke Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 This popped up in a random QB set in 1942. It's named the "28mm Heavy Anti-Tank Rifle", yet under Main Weapon (and on the GUI) it's listed as 20mm. It looks like a mini-75mm AT gun (it's sooooo cute!). This wouldn't be the famous 28/20 squeeze-bore gun, would it? The fact it comes with 50 rnds of tungsten core ammo kinda makes me think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 http://appui-feu.panzershark.com/images/SPZB41.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 You mean this cute little thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Sascha Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Was wondering about the 20mm/28mm thing myself. Had one of those heavy AT rifles in a canned scenario the other day and it kicked a$$ even at medium ranges.... Sascha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetchez la Vache Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 IIRC wasn't there a larger calibre German 'squeeze gun' as well? 50mm-ish??? They were awesome pieces of kit for the time, lucky the Germans ran low on tungsten so early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Originally posted by Nippy: You mean this cute little thing?That guy by the gun is so confident he aims the thing with one hand: "Look, ma, no hand" *DANG* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-WWIIOL Player Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 28mm schwere Panzarbuchse 41 (s PzB 41) Penetration at 100m 0deg = 94mm Penetration at 500m 0deg = 66mm Nice little weapon. As to the question of other taper bored ATG's, the Germans also had a 41/30mm Penetration at 100m 0 deg = 120mm Penetration at 500m 0 deg = 87mm As both these weapons relied on Tungsten Cored ammunition they were phased out midway through the war as Tungsten supplies ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nippy Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Didn't the Brits and the Italians have 2 wheel 20mm to 30mm caliber AT rifles that were dispenced among the infantry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Originally posted by Fetchez la Vache: IIRC wasn't there a larger calibre German 'squeeze gun' as well? 50mm-ish??? They were awesome pieces of kit for the time, lucky the Germans ran low on tungsten so early on.'squeeze gun' ??? Taper Bore is the real term for it. Rheinmetall also worked on 42->29mm and a 75->55mm Taper-Bore guns. Ian Hogg's "Tank Killing" book has a nice section on them. Madmatt [ September 26, 2002, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: Madmatt ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 If it was a squeeze gun, would the gunners be Squeegie Kids? Or somefink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetchez la Vache Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 That's the jobba! Heh, I'm trying to remember something I read 5 years ago in Hogg's basic book on small arms (I think). Just a quick look see to remind myself. There were Pak41 42mm/29mm and 75mm/55mm guns as well. To be fair though the term 'squeezebore' is often used as well I see. *edit I see MattMad checked as well, thought it was Hogg I saw it in. He did a couple of nice simple books. [ September 26, 2002, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Fetchez la Vache ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Tiger Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 There existet 150 pieces of 50mm (may the 75/55mm) guns. If i could find my Senger & Etterlin book, i could tell more, but here is the pure chaos. The only thing i remember, that they used thems until the barrels worn out or the tungsten/wolfram were gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audace Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Nippy, yeah the Solothurn, 20mm anti-"tank" gun was used, at least in the Italian Army. As one can guess, it wasn't very succesful against Matildas, Valentines, Grants etc. [ September 26, 2002, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: audace ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted September 26, 2002 Author Share Posted September 26, 2002 So schwere PanzerBüchse translates as "heavy tank (box, or tube)". I assume büchse is German slang, kinda like "gun" is in English. So I suppose "Heavy Anti-Tank Rifle" is an accurate translation. But why not list it by it's proper nomenclature, s. PzB 41? [ September 26, 2002, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: von Lucke ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 I knew a chick with one helluva taper bore, years ago. Damn. -dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 The Brits issued a lot of French 25mm AT guns to the BEF in 1940 - something about standardising ammo & maintaining dgood relations with their allies or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightblade Posted September 26, 2002 Share Posted September 26, 2002 Originally posted by von Lucke I assume büchse is German slang, kinda like "gun" is in English It may be a little bit off topic, but "Büchse" is not a German slang word. A "Gewehr" is any hand fire weapon with a longer barrel, that is anything which is no pistol or revolver. A Gewehr with a smooth bore barrel is called a "Flinte", mainly used by hunters for lead shot cartridges, and a Gewehr without a smooth bore barrel (unfortunately I couldn´t find the correct English term) is a "Büchse". But you are right, "Heavy Anti-Tank Rifle" is certainly correct. [ September 26, 2002, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Brightblade ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-WWIIOL Player Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 The Brits issued a lot of French 25mm AT guns to the BEF in 1940 - something about standardising ammo & maintaining dgood relations with their allies or similarIt was more the case of sharing around what resources they had. The BEF were short of Light ATG's and need something to compliment their 2lb guns. Likewise the ArFr were short of mid sized AA guns and swaped some 40mm Bofors for 25mm cmle which the british also need since they were short if small rapid fire AA. Alot of things had to be shared due mainly to the underequiping of the BEF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 A "Flinte" is probably best translated as a "musket." If you are talking about hand-held weapons, a Buechse is a "rifle": the name comes from the rifled (i.e., gezogen) barrel. The term Buechse might include larger weapons that we wouldn't call rifles, though - I'm not sure either of everything that would be called a Buechse, nor of what the technical term for guns larger than rifles might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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