Treeburst155 Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 The Finals scenarios have been sent out. The German players have been provided with the email addresses of their opponents since they start the game. In the case of Flag Rush Hill, both players were sent the same email so look for your Allied opponent's address in the "to" field if you need it. Hopefully I have managed to send the correct files to players. My fingers are crossed. The Wild Bill Finals are now underway!! EDIT: Wreck, the email address I have for you is not working. Everything just bounced back. The address I am using is: leonard@dc.net Is this address still good? Treeburst155 out [ March 22, 2002, 09:56 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Bimmer, AARs are on their way to you, a few at a time. Treeburst155 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Fellow finalists, Well I will be the first to throw down the guantlet here. If by some miracle I actually win this horse race, I herebye request that a portion of my winning case of wine be sent to Mike aka Treeburst. The honor of victory may be mine but if any man deserves a drink on the house it is Mike who has put up with a helluva a lot to bring this tourney into reality. No pressure here to duplicate but I think the CM community should reward initiative. BTW MIke if you don't drink I think I can scrounge a free pass to my personal porn site. That's right!! If you wan to see uninhibited nude photos of a 220 lbs Native American, my site.."www.freshfacecapt.com" is for you. A porn site like no other. Again thanks for the memories now let the blood flow freely and let us all die with honor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Why that's very nice of you, Warren, but entirely unnecessary. I enjoy running these tournaments, and I'm fortunate to have more free time than most in order to do it. The winner will not actually receive a "case" of wine. He will receive six different bottles of QUALITY South African wines. Apparently, shipping six at a time is the safest way. WineCape has special packing containers for that quantity that are very good at preventing breakage. Treeburst155 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 1st Turn has just been sent to Wreck. WB has done a interesting map as always and gets the feel of the place well. ** EDIT The mail has bounced Wreck where are you??? ** The fact that I have wandered around the site in real life will help me not one jot. A short battle will ensue and I need to know if we can report the final result openly or do we need to wait until all have done that battle? On another point can anyone explain why on the 1st results posted I was higher than Redeker and then on the later results as posted by TB I was slightly lower. It affects things not one iota but it has piqued my interest. Let battle commence, I guess all the Easter tasks I had lined up, such as repairing fences and sorting the garden out have gone by the by. Cheers H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabla Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 I'd be interested to see the balanced scores of the players from each game. Did the winners score better than others consistently? Well, it's obvious that at least one did. But overall, the end result of the first round seems to be a well separated set of four finalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Just in case Wreck hasn't been in touch with you guys yet, I can confirm that the email address I was using to send turns in our Nordic Wannabee tournament was leonard.dickens@verizon.net. Good luck all of you in the semi-finals (but I'll be secretly barracking for you Holien) Regards Jim R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredeker Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Originally posted by Holien: On another point can anyone explain why on the 1st results posted I was higher than Redeker and then on the later results as posted by TB I was slightly lower. It affects things not one iota but it has piqued my interest. Holien, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that High Cost of Real Estate probably had something to do with it. I played Allies in that one and got a 51, but that scenario was so unbalanced that my score was the second highest of the Allies. You got an 88 in that one, which I believe was the best anyone did as Axis. Therefore, our Nabla points would be similar (both of us ahead of the curve) but the in-game points showed you with a 37 point lead. Like Nabla, I'd also be interested in seeing the "Nabla point" scoring breakdown by game to get a better feel as to what my score in each game translated to. Greg P.S. I'll try to get you the first turn in our game later today, but the scenario is pretty dang big and I'm still looking at the map. [ March 23, 2002, 11:16 AM: Message edited by: redeker ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holien Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Hi KR, Thxs for the heads up on Wreck I have just tried the e-mail and will wait and see what it brings. Red Deck thxs for the explanation that does sound like it. Ahhh well there was I thinking I was the second favorite but you are and that means they will all be taking pot shots at you. I await our game with interest it is a bloody big map and I think old TB has something of a fascination (fetish perhaps?) with large mounds rising up out of the ground. Hmmm Freud would have a field day with him. At least the map with Wreck was an easy one to set up. God do I hate WB and his sodding designs... H [ March 23, 2002, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: Holien ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Thanks, Kanonier, for Wrecks address. I will get his files off to him within the hour. So you guys want to see the Nabla scores for each game. I can do that. I'm working on it now. BTW, don't post your scores to this thread. It might tip the others off as to balance, and possibly affect their play. Holien, Your slightly lower score than Redeker means that, on the average, Redeker stayed slightly higher above the median than you did. Although the median is determined by all twelve instances of a scenario, Redeker played different people than you did so that is a factor to consider. Treeburst155 out. [ March 23, 2002, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 Below is the input to the Nabla program for, "We Can't Wait". I've inserted the Nabla score for the Allied players. The Axis Nabla score is always the opposite. The entries marked with asterisks indicate situations where the winner of the game actually scored below the median for his side. The opposite is true for the "loser" of those games. In effect, the "winner" lost and the loser "won". Very interesting. I will post the other scenarios too. It just takes a little time. Scenario [ We_Cant_Wait ] medians [ 39.5 60.5 ] Bertram 19 (-11.2375) Miron 75 Johnson 45 (4.74603) Jukka 55 ******** Pixelmaster 37 (-2.33574) Moore 63 Redeker 67 (14.284) Sowden 32 Holien 54 (11.0439) Kingfish 41 Georges_Mick 30 (-5.80999) Tom 65 Svensson 37 (-2.33574) CapDog 63 vonLucke 37 (1.89392) Kettler 54 ******* TabPub 35 (-1.89392) Zalewski 60 Gaspari 56 (10.8449) Travisano 44 Juha 40 (4.37142) Rohde 51 ********* Enoch 26 (-9.52868) Dickens 74 Some of the results seem odd because the Nabla score is calculated after adjusting for contested VLs. You are looking at the unadjusted CM scores. I've simply inserted the Nabla score. Notice how Redeker, Holien, Miron, and Gaspari were actually higher above the median than Leonard Dickens in this scenario. Johnson and Juha scored some rather significant victories with their "lost" games. Treeburst155 out. [ March 23, 2002, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ Duel_At_Dompaire ] medians [ 46.5 53.5 ] Miron 69 (14.4926) Moore 18 Bertram 28 (-11.4259) Jukka 71 Johnson 37 (-7.39934) Sowden 63 Pixelmaster 44 (-0.493188) Redeker 52 Kingfish 47 (0.493188) CapDog 53 ********* Holien 72 (13.7094) Tom 28 Georges_Mick 46 (3.98636) Kettler 44 Svensson 63 (12.6089) vonLucke 27 Zalewski 45 (0.493188) Rohde 51 ********** TabPub 31 (-9.28742) Travisano 64 Gaspari 29 (-11.2375) Dickens 71 Juha 41 (-4.74603) Enoch 59 In this scenario the winner was Warren Miron, followed by Holien, P. Svensson, Jukka-Pekka, and in 5th place was Leonard Dickens. Note Zalewski's small victory over C. Rohde inspite of his losing score. The same thing happened in Kingfish vs CapitalistDog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ Sounds_In_Night ] medians [ 57.25 42.75 ] Redeker 83 [ 13.7705 ] Miron 17 Sowden 52 [ -0.734742 ] Jukka 39 ******** Moore 50 [ -2.11635 ] Bertram 40 ******** Pixelmaster 39 [ -10.1036 ] Johnson 54 vonLucke 53 [ -2.11635 ] Kingfish 43 ******* Kettler 63 [ 6.30994 ] Tom 33 CapDog 37 [ -12.2123 ] Holien 63 Svensson 68 [ 8.65442 ] Georges_Mick 30 Enoch 45 [ -8.91285 ] Zalewski 55 Dickens 87 [ 14.6417 ] Travisano 13 Rohde 58 [ 0.734742 ] TabPub 42 Juha 56 [ 1.66842 ] Gaspari 38 Now Leonard begins to shine. He won this scenario followed by Redeker, Holien, S. Johnson, and T. Zalewski in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ Resolve_At_Ranville ] medians [ 45 55 ] Miron 53 [ 9.03943 ] Johnson 38 Jukka 85 [ 16.1672 ] Pixelmaster 15 Moore 21 [ -13.3248 ] Redeker 79 Sowden 46 [ 0.972997 ] Bertram 54 ******* Kingfish 65 [ 13.3248 ] Georges_Mick 27 Tom 50 [ 7.39934 ] Svensson 41 CapDog 39 [ -0.972997 ] vonLucke 51 Kettler 42 [ -2.76557 ] Holien 58 Zalewski 37 [ -3.18374 ] Gaspari 54 Travisano 35 [ -4.74603 ] Juha 56 Rohde 18 [ -14.0636 ] Enoch 82 Dickens 84 [ 16.0533 ] TabPub 16 Jukka-Pekka won this one, followed by Leonard Dickens, Enoch, Redeker, and Miron. Again, near the median is a "loser" who won. [ March 23, 2002, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: Treeburst155 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ Real_Guts ] medians [ 50 50 ] Jukka 32 [ -6.7897 ] Miron 49 Moore 13 [ -15.1386 ] Johnson 78 Sowden 66 [ 10.6403 ] Pixelmaster 34 Redeker 70 [ 12.1296 ] Bertram 30 Tom 31 [ -11.7874 ] Kingfish 69 CapDog 75 [ 13.5847 ] Georges_Mick 25 Kettler 26 [ -13.3248 ] Svensson 74 vonLucke 61 [ 8.25319 ] Holien 39 Travisano 27 [ -11.4259 ] Zalewski 63 Rohde 37 [ -5.80999 ] Gaspari 51 Dickens 71 [ 12.4535 ] Juha 29 Enoch 57 [ 5.80999 ] TabPub 43 Scot Johnson takes the honors in this one, with CapitalistDog, P. Svensson, L. Dickens, and Greg Redeker lining up behind him in that order. We didn't have any winning "losers" in this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ High_Cost ] medians [ 40.25 59.75 ] Sowden 33 [ -3.78982 ] Miron 61 Moore 34 [ 1.208 ] Jukka 51 ******** Redeker 51 [ 8.11573 ] Johnson 49 Pixelmaster 32 [ -6.63197 ] Bertram 68 Kettler 37 [ 0.248289 ] Kingfish 56 ******** CapDog 46 [ 4.92951 ] Tom 54 *********** vonLucke 59 [ 11.6989 ] Georges_Mick 41 Svensson 12 [ -14.3372 ] Holien 88 Zalewski 24 [ -10.7433 ] Dickens 76 Rohde 36 [ 2.55213 ] Travisano 50 ********* Enoch 31 [ -5.28898 ] Gaspari 63 Juha 40 [ -0.248289 ] TabPub 60 We have lots of winning "losers" here due to scenario imbalance. Holien takes the gold in this one, with von Lucke, Dickens, Redeker, and Gaspari lining up behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted March 24, 2002 Author Share Posted March 24, 2002 Originally posted by Treeburst155: The winner will not actually receive a "case" of wine. He will receive six different bottles of QUALITY South African wines. Apparently, shipping six at a time is the safest way. WineCape has special packing containers for that quantity that are very good at preventing breakage.We can correct this matter. I will send 12 bottles instead of 6 bottles originally promised of South African vino (no plonk!) to the winner via postage, packaged in a special styrofoam box. Postage on me. This was/is such a succesfull Tourney that I have decided to up the Litreage of South African sunshine in a bottle Good luck to all the finalists; hopefully the winner will still be in one mental piece to collect 'em bottles at the post office Sincerely, Charl Theron ----------------- "Oh, we could give it a try. I'll bring the wine, you bring your scarred psyche." -- Chase in Batman Forever (1995) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scenario [ Crisis_At_Kommerscheidt ] medians [ 58.5 41.5 ] Miron 84 [ 13.7094 ] Pixelmaster 16 Jukka 58 [ 2.33574 ] Redeker 36 Moore 60 [ 1.43979 ] Sowden 40 Bertram 37 [ -9.7634 ] Johnson 48 Kingfish 56 [ -2.33574 ] Svensson 44 ******** Tom 65 [ 5.46504 ] vonLucke 35 CapDog 50 [ -4.74603 ] Kettler 44 ********* Holien 81 [ 12.9071 ] Georges_Mick 19 Zalewski 40 [ -9.28742 ] Juha 49 Travisano 54 [ -1.43979 ] Enoch 40 ********** Rohde 26 [ -15.1386 ] Dickens 74 TabPub 62 [ 6.14558 ] Gaspari 30 Leonard Dickens comes out on top for the second time with Kommerscheidt. Notice he has never been out of the top five, where the rest of you shared those honors for the most part. Coming in behind Leonard we have Miron, Holien, Johnson, and Zalewski in that order. Notice John Kettler's significant win over CapitalistDog. John scored only 44 points, but contested a VL too. After the point split John ended up almost 5 tourney points above the median. There you have it, guys. A breakdown of the results in tourney points. Man, I enjoyed that. Now I'm off to do my honey-do projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Well,well.....our benefactor has DOUBLED the prize! IIRC, this puts the retail value of the prize in the neighborhood of $400. Thanks, WineCape! If the winner's wife/girlfriend is a wine drinker, the winner may get away with doubling his CM time for the next year or so. Treeburst155 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted March 24, 2002 Author Share Posted March 24, 2002 Treeburst, I think all of them tourney rascals here are beer drinkers in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredeker Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Originally posted by WineCape: I will send 12 bottles instead of 6 bottles originally promised of South African vino (no plonk!) to the winner via postage, packaged in a special styrofoam box. Postage on me. This was/is such a succesfull Tourney that I have decided to up the Litreage of South African sunshine in a bottle Three cheers for Winecape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredeker Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Originally posted by WineCape: Treeburst, I think all of them tourney rascals here are beer drinkers in disguise. FWIW, some of us do appreciate the product of the vintner's toil. If pressed, I can rustle up some Mondavi or Sattui from my "cellar" (wine rack at the bottom of the pantry). Some of the Mondavi was laid down ten years ago. :cool: Of course, since I live in Chico, I'm also quite partial to Sierra Nevada Pale Ale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredeker Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Setups have been sent/returned to Warren and Holien. Gentlemen, start your engines... Treeburst, thanks for posting all the Nabla scores. It was nice to de-mystify the formula (which I still don't quite understand :confused: ) by seeing actual results. [ March 24, 2002, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: redeker ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertram Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Hi all, It has been some time since I visited the board. Treeburst, thanks for the breakdown of the score's, quite a job, and very enlighting to see where I lack . It hurts, for while I might like beer, I love wine. Not to mention the dent in my ego. Got one question of my fellow RoWers: I thought the scenario "we can't wait" an excercise in futility for the Allied side (and my score reflects this perfectly). But then the planes that might come along never did materialize, so I was seriously outgunned (my opponent humbled my tanks crews by driving a TD right into the view of 2 Shermans and a M10, and killing all three of them, while the shells bounced of his armor). Did the other Allies get those planes? And if they did not, did they make any headway? Never got any planes in Dompaire to, do I do something wrong? Should I have promised some of the wine to the airforce? Nb.: I realized reading the post in the scenario that I should have posted there. Going to take time to read that entire thread. Bertram [ March 24, 2002, 03:28 AM: Message edited by: Bertram ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted March 24, 2002 Share Posted March 24, 2002 Scoring summarized: 1) Compare scores of all players playing the same side in the scenario and determine the median. 2) Determine each player's distance in points , either plus or minus, from the median. (CM score - median = distance from median) 3) Plug this number into Nabla's formula and out comes your tourney score for that scenario. 4) Determine your average tourney score for all the scenarios. 5) The highest final score in each section win that section and move on to the playoff series. There ya have it. In case you are mathematically inclined here is the formula: (d) represents your distance from the median. (d) can be positive or negative. (sgn) This represents the sign of (d). In place of (sgn) you will put either a "+" or a "-" into the formula. (a) This is the variable that determines the shape of the curve. To use the formula you need to substitute .055 for "a". (e) This is an interesting number equal to approximately 2.718. Like "pi" it has interesting mathematical properties which is the only reason it is used, according to Nabla. Scientific calculators have an "e" key on them. Now the formula: (sgn)(1/a)*(1-e to the power of (-a*|d|)) The main thing to understand is that consistent strong play is what you should strive for without getting caught up in the desire for overwhelming victories. If you see a golden opportunity for a Major victory you might go for it; but don't take big risks to achieve it. The other thing to know is NEVER surrender. Withdraw from the map and let the computer surrender for you. Every point does count and allowing your guys to be captured by surrendering hurts your score a lot. Get 'em off the map! Treeburst155 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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