George-III Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 First of all CMBB is great. I have been playing it non-stop since I got it. All the new changes to the game are absolutly cool... however... While playing the game it seemed that the new Panther model just didnt look right. So I fired up CMBO and took some screens to compare the old Panthers with the new ones. Here are the old models: Ok here is the new model: Notice its a bit "scrunched up" compared to the old Panthers and the turret is also too large. Look carefully at this last picture. The road wheels are NOT round. They are verticle OVALS. Somehow this model got squished a little bit. Oh boy... I hope there is an easy fix for this. Because everthing else about this game rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 The 3D model is taken off of a blueprint George as are 98% of our models, so it is correct. I actually double checked it with a few just to make sure it was right. I cant see the oval wheels in the screen shots and I havnt noticed it before, but Ill take your work they may be a little stretched. It looks hardly noticable in game if so, but once we rewrite the engine it will be a lot easier to get things like this perfect becuase we will be able to texture all models and veiw them within our 3D package. If time permits I will tweak this, but there is plenty else to do at the moment. Dan [ September 25, 2002, 02:41 AM: Message edited by: KwazyDog ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOxide Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 The CMBB panther looks more accurate than the CMBO one in my opinion. Take a look at some shots of real Panthers, and you may see what I mean. Also, funny you didn't notice the Tiger tank, it looks different as well; it's much heavier looking comparted to the CMBO one, which is a great thing. Hell, all the tanks look better now. -The Sturmgeschutz for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOxide Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 One question: Why do the early panther's have no apparent bow gun placement? I see little things sticking out on the top front hull, but nothing that looks like a bow machine gun. I remember something about a box type Mgun, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 AnonymousOxide, we noticed that too! I think part of the reason the Tiger looks heavier is that we now model details such as the armour overlap, air vents, etc. These trick the eye into believing the vehicle is real more than the previous models The early model Panther just fired its MG out of that armoured flap. I imagine that in reality it was a bit of a bullet trap. Dan [ September 25, 2002, 03:11 AM: Message edited by: KwazyDog ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 It could also be that if BFC have changed the actual angle of the views, so view '1' or view '2' now look at the battlefield from a slightly different angle, that could alter the perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George-III Posted September 25, 2002 Author Share Posted September 25, 2002 Im glad to hear you guys are not seing what I am seing. Maybe its my monitor settings or something but some of the tanks look very odd on my system. Oh well, hopefully its just my machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHertogh Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 George, what resolution are you running the game at and what res is your desktop? If you run your desktop at a different res, it could be that it has a different aspect ratio and thus make images appear compressed or extended. Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George-III Posted September 25, 2002 Author Share Posted September 25, 2002 1600 X 1200 , same as the game. I am tweeking em now tho trying to figure out wtf is up with this. I think it could just be the monitor settings. If I adjust them in game I can get the models to look right but when I exit the desktop looks skewed. Very strange but I think I can live with it. Hopefully its just my system. BTS pays close attention to detail in thier games that I would hope it wouldnt be on thier end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Best one is the new PIV model with the skirts that don't cut through each other, bravo Kwazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Glad you like it Bas You should see a bumch of new Pz-IV's in the next patch! I must admit, after make all of the models I think the meanest looking little beast is the stug, particually the later models. Ugly as hell though, hehe. Dan [ September 25, 2002, 06:17 AM: Message edited by: KwazyDog ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Originally posted by KwazyDog: I must admit, after make all of the models I think the meanest looking little beast is the stug, particually the later models. Ugly as hell though, hehe.I'm disapointed Kwazy, the Stug Ausf G is a thing of beauty! Mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Tiger Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Originally posted by KwazyDog: I must admit, after make all of the models I think the meanest looking little beast is the stug, particually the later models. Ugly as hell though, hehe. DanWohoo.. the Stugs are the Princes of all Assault guns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Maenpaa Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 George-III, don't compare the new model to the old ones, but instead to the excellent sketches drawn by Hilary Doyle. Can be found here for instance. Under the Ausf. A section is also a pretty good photo for comparing purposes. I don't have the game yet, but basing on your screenshot the CMBB Panther is very authentic. But those road wheels seem a bit strange indeed. They appear to be taller than in Doyle's sketch or in the photo. Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Ari, itneresting point. The blueprint I have here clearly shows the skirt low than that one you have there, yet others show it above. The one I have looks like the one on this model... http://www.track-link.net/gallery/780_3 I guess maybe there were different types of skirt applied over time. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Maenpaa Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Kwazydog, I see, you're right, different kind of skirts. And btw. thanks for your excellent work with the models and graphics. There is an enormous difference in the presentation of CMBO and CMBB for the better. Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgdpzr Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Originally posted by AnonymousOxide: One question: Why do the early panther's have no apparent bow gun placement? I see little things sticking out on the top front hull, but nothing that looks like a bow machine gun. I remember something about a box type Mgun, but I'm not sure.The early Panthers had no kugelblend (ballmount). Working from memory, I believe the kugelblend was introduced midway through the production run of the Panther A. Prior to that, there was simply an opening for the machine gunner/radio operator to insert and fire a machine gun. In other words, the machine gun was not permanently mounted. This was similar to the arrangement of the machine gun in the jagdpanzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Thanks Ari, thats much appreciated...there will be more to come, too Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Sascha Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Panther in Technik Museum Sinsheim, Germany: Sascha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningWar Posted September 25, 2002 Share Posted September 25, 2002 Tank really is a smaller package than most would think. LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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