Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Can someone tell me why this is? My AC can't seem to take out this truck!! It is shooting HE. I thought this "feature" might be similar to the one with FlakWagons but this is ridiculous. LOS test showed Hit: 85%, Kill: None. [ October 28, 2002, 06:09 PM: Message edited by: Sarge Saunders ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha_Field_Marshall Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 That is strange, usually a well placed hamster can take out a truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 The 20mm shell might've just torn through the the canvas of the truck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Sarge - are you totally sure that is a truck that you are shooting at? I dread to think it could be another like the Halftrack bug (FOW is misleading the engine by displaying Halftracks as soft-target gun tractors and you can't hurt them with HE). If it is 100% identified as a Truck then I don't know why you're not hurting it. If it isn't 100% identified as a Truck then save the game, end the scenario, and tell us what it is revealed as. Hopefully it isn't some kind of armoured target. Hope that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Death clock? Alternatively consider that a 20mm shell doesn't have an awful lot of explosive in it, and a lot of a truck is essentially empty space. There's plenty of room for "no-damage" hits. Also usually trucks get abandoned, and IIRC it was thought they get abandoned a little TOO quickly in CMBO so they're toughened up a bit in CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Author Share Posted October 29, 2002 To all- Yes I am sure is is a Truck. It has been 100% identified. This was one of many salvos, both HE and machine gun from my PSW. I have been tearing into that sucker for 2 turns to no avail. The mighty truck can withstand all I have to shoot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 In a Pbem I currently play I have two platoons pouring lead at Trucks from 50-100m, to no effect for 3 turns ... Maybe there is a Trick, or are they UberTrucks ?? It's really looks like a bug... BTS, please fix or do somefink : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Author Share Posted October 29, 2002 More pics....Notice the positive ID in the unit info. Truck not Truck? so I think it is for sure a truck. First shot this turn: Boom...Huh? Then second hit: It turns to move away so no death clock: This ought to be looked at my BFC methinks. An unlucky shot or two but why did the LOS tool give me kill: none? Could have been at least kill: rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 You might want to save that scenario at that point and email Matt? You might'a found yourself one of them elusive bugs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 I dunno Sarge - I don't think that is 100% I.D.'d. You aren't seeing the crew quality for a start. Please do me a favour and end the scenario and take a look at what it is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Author Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by MikeyD: You might want to save that scenario at that point and email Matt? You might'a found yourself one of them elusive bugs!Its a PBEM so I have the file. I dunno, I'm sure MadMatt has "truckloads" of e-mail to sort through so unless BFC speaks up and asks....I'll just show this here. I am sure this can be replicated. -Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishu Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 I've often seen tanks shoot trucks with high caliber cannon shells and seen the trucks run away or finally get the lethal shot and slows down. especially seen this happen with halftracks.. One wierd thing is with AT rifles: penetrations after penetrations and lightly armoured tank/halftrack or even truck keeps going. Would think that truck would stop quickly after couple ATR shots in the engine or driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Author Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by Rex_Bellator: I dunno Sarge - I don't think that is 100% I.D.'d. You aren't seeing the crew quality for a start. Please do me a favour and end the scenario and take a look at what it is for sure.I don't think you see crew quality with Extreme FOW. But I am sure this is a truck. Can't end this PBEM now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Any chance your PBEm partner might divulge what it is in the name of science? I still think there is a good chance it is actually an armoured target which is having a Truck displayed and fooling the TAC-AI into using HE on it. It's already happening with German Halftracks so it could well be happening with another unit type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Saunders Posted October 29, 2002 Author Share Posted October 29, 2002 OK for all the doubters. Here are pics from a test scenario. LOS check FOW is off so this IS a truck The whipping starts: After 7 direct hits it dies: Is this realistic? Maybe. I just point out how odd it seems to me. I know it is just a 20mm gun but lets not forget that a "burst" is abstracted for every shot. That is an aweful lot of ordinance going into a mere truck to not even slow it down. ...off to dinner. -Sarge [ October 28, 2002, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: Sarge Saunders ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Realistic? I dunno. But I can tell you it's roughly in line with ASL, where you would need about a 7 or 8 (or lower) on two dice to kill. And that's over the course of an ostensibly two-minute turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camp Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Just checked it out myself with a test map. Yup - seems strange but there is a "none" chance to kill. Having said that the truck was killed after a couple of minutes of firing. Still, a 20mm cannon on the front of a truck will kill it every time it hits. I doubt it is a big deal, still, someone might end up using these trucks in a gamey fashion. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterX Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Yup - seems strange but there is a "none" chance to kill. Rifle fire should take out, or at least immobilize, a truck at 200m. This is like the uber-Flak vehicles from CMBO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 At least a truck can't kill you like a flak trak can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: At least a truck can't kill you like a flak trak can.Then stand in front of my Dodge while I'm driving at you at around 30 MPH. Heck, I do some of my best hunting that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by PeterX: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Yup - seems strange but there is a "none" chance to kill. Rifle fire should take out, or at least immobilize, a truck at 200m. This is like the uber-Flak vehicles from CMBO....</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterX Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 CMBB trucks really looks bugged when it comes to dying.In all fairness, the flak platforms in CMBO were more frightening; they were impervious, IIRC, to all HE fire. They were the gamiest piece on the board even through version 1.12. In BB, I suspect trucks are merely, uh, over-resilient enough to lend themselves to mild gamey tricks. Unfortunately, it appears we won't be able to take them out with ATR teams- they refuse to fire at them. Which is another mini-bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Oh Lord, here come the Geneva Gaminess Convention bans. Ubertrucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Come to think of it, the bug is pretty logical: since the truck lacks any armor values, the AI cannot compute a kill (penetration) probability, since there's no armor to penetrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Originally posted by Bone_Vulture: Come to think of it, the bug is pretty logical: since the truck lacks any armor values, the AI cannot compute a kill (penetration) probability, since there's no armor to penetrate.That explain the Kill=None "info", not the fact that those damn trucks DON'T DIE (or die waaay too late) when HE-ed or fired upon by infantry weapons ! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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