Captain Wacky Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 www.angelfire.com/ab7/wacky3 I think they are the 4x220lb bombs on the IL-10 "Beast" Never seen this effect before :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Those are air to ground rockets are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I saw the same thing coming from a IL-2, Type Three a few days ago. I believe they are rockets as well, just better looking then the ones from CMBO that's all. [ October 20, 2002, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukkov Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 too cool! weird, but cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted October 20, 2002 Author Share Posted October 20, 2002 I figured they were bombs because of the arc they take. Wouldn't rockets shoot in more of a straight line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Does your computer have trouble drawing smoke, Wacky, or does it just look like that? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by Captain Wacky: I figured they were bombs because of the arc they take. Wouldn't rockets shoot in more of a straight line?Normally. They could take that kind of arc if the motors had already burnt out and they were losing velocity. But I've never noticed that in any of the films I've seen. I would be interesting to hear BTS' rationale on this. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted October 20, 2002 Author Share Posted October 20, 2002 No, that's how it looks. It's actually pretty cool when you see it in action. Looks kinda weird when its paused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted October 20, 2002 Author Share Posted October 20, 2002 1,000,000,000 points to anyone who can guess the scenario (and its not a quick battle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 It wouldn't be Clash of the Titans II would it? [ October 20, 2002, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Although I'm not seasoned on the subject, I'd assume that WWII air-to-land rockets were built to fly to the target as straight as possible... It'd be impossible to hit any moving object with a projectile that has a flying arc like that. Or is it a graphical abstraction again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Having played some WWII flight sims I can tell you the rockets start to arc about 20 meters in front of your craft. Whether this is realistic or not I can't say. [ October 20, 2002, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaud Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I'm pretty certain that propellent burns in air-to-ground rockets (and all the other artillery rockets) burned for only a couple of seconds at most. After that the rockets go ballistic. That's what the modern 2.75" air-launched rockets are like and i've seen those fire. The propellent burns for only a second or two, then you lose track of them cause the smoke train disappears. When they fire a whole pod of them it sounds like someone ripped the sky in half. Ren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I can't speak for the rockets the Soviets used, but I believe that the primary ones used in the West burned a little more than a couple of seconds, though not much more. A more important point is that they were normally fired while the plane was in a pretty steep dive—70° or more—so that the trajectory would not curve all that much even after burnout. Other than a slight wobble as they flew, they took a pretty straight path right to the ground. As I say, the Soviet types may have been different, though I suspect they weren't very different in that respect. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EightInchArty Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I saw russian Mi-24 fire rockets at some poor rags in news the other day. They were flying curved ballistic path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Dudes! I simply assumed this was a function of the game engine and not an attempt at realism. An airplane flying 250 miles an hour would need to fire its rockets at a considerable distance away from the CM board - perhaps the AI can only select targets when the plane is actually over the board itself (ie does not track weapons when not actually in play).... Probably the only way they could get the rocket graphic to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewallen Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 it is just me, or have other people found rockets to be nearly useless? i have not had or seen a single AFV killed by rockets yet, or even *hit* by them, and they don't carry enough explosive to score kills with near-misses, of which i have seen quite a few. even mobility kills are very rare. i was under the impression that rockets (at least on the western front, so presumably also on the eastern front?) were pretty effective tank-killers... otherwise they wouldn't have put them on the planes, right? but i have had very poor success with them thus far... ~Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Captain Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I had a Panzer III rocketed, hit and immobolized. On the second pass of the plane the crew decided to bail their sitting duck target. Seems pretty effective to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by lewallen: i was under the impression that rockets (at least on the western front, so presumably also on the eastern front?) were pretty effective tank-killers... otherwise they wouldn't have put them on the planes, right?At the time they were introduced it was hoped that they would be so, but post-battle research showed that not to be the case. They were still useful against a host of non-armored targets—such as AA guns—so they continued in use. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauCoupDinkyDau Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Okay LD, 6pm my time? That would be 9pm yours. 900pt ME on a small map? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by EightInchArty: I saw russian Mi-24 fire rockets at some poor rags in news the other day. They were flying curved ballistic path.And how is that relevant to WW II? Different weapons, different tactics. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I have lost five Pz IVs to rockets, don't tell me they have no effect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japinard Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Can you post those screenies here in the forum? You ran outta bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch_Back Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Myself being a big enthusiast of WW2 aircraft and their weaponry I can safely say that despite the fact that it was VERY rare for any kind of penetration to occur, the blast from the warhead in close proximity to the tank, or a direct hit was enouugh to- 1. rip the tracks apart. 2. immobolize the engine. ( direct hit only ) 3. render the gun useless.( direct hit only ) 4. Cause internal flaking. ( direct hit only ) 5. Kill unbuttoned crew members. Also in some circumstances it was possible for the rocket following its trajectory to acquire a good top penetration hit, due to the obvious lighter armor there. But as the aircraft where mainly to just provide some kind of SUPPORT to the infantry and armor on the ground, any kind of immobolization or killing of crew members was surely welcomed by the ground forces. It is also true that rockets did arc like this due to the propellant as mentioned before, but pilots who had used the rockets in sorties beforehand learnt quite quickly how to place a good shot onto the top of a tank using the curvature of the rocket arc. :cool: Anyone have anything to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Theres' this famous picture of a Panther on the Western Front that's usually captioned that it was overturned by a Typhoon(?) rocket attack. Impressive if true. I read a later article that claimed the tanks had been overturned by Allied bulldozers while clearing a roadway. Goes to show you can't trust captions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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