Sequoia Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Why did the Germans call their armored recovery vehicles Bergepanzern? Doesn't that mean Mountain Tanks? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankibanki Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 no, it means recovery tank ("bergen" = "to recover"). Of course "Berge" is also the plural of "mountain" but that's just a coincidence (or maybe not, got to ask a linguist). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 And more specifically, a "Mountain Tank" (if such a thing had existed) would be termed a "Bergpanzer" (without the "e"). As for the derivation, the two terms have a slightly different route into modern high German, but share a very similar indogerman root word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-warfare Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Out of curiosity, and hopelessly unrelated to Combat Mission... but to bring French into it would 'Berger Allemand' (Alsatian/German Shepherd) mean the dog is a mountain dog or a recovery dog? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankibanki Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 "berger" is the french word for shepherd, but I don't know the history of that word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 "Berger" is also a first name in Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankibanki Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 That's news to me but if you say so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Candice Bergen from 'Soldier Blue' and obscurely the voice of SAL 9000 in '2010'. Prettier than a recovery tank! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Originally posted by Redwolf: "Berger" is also a first name in Germany. Do you get lettuce and mayo with that too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Gebirgspanzer. Would have been the term. Singular as in English. Compare "Gebirgspanzeraufklärungsbataillon", a term not in use during the war but in the postwar army (only one battallion exists, belonged to the 1st Gebirgsdivision until it was dissolved, now serving with 10th armoured). Are you really still playing CMBO Sequoia? The BFC should be sending you a silver watch. Cheers D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Originally posted by Redwolf: "Berger" is also a first name in Germany. Last name, shurely? All the best Andreas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 No, I know several people having "Berger" as a first name. Might be a Northern thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I have never met or even heard of one, and I am from Hannover, well, Nienburg/Weser. As a family name, yes, and not uncommon. First name, never heard of that. Are they all cousins? All the best Andreas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Helmut Berger was a famous German actor in the 40s and the president of the German film academy is called Senta Berger (was at least, I'm not all that updated). Had a colleague in Berlin named Roland Berger. Studied in Vienna with a French guy called Jacques Berger. There is a swedish lawyer called Magnus Berger, of some repute in Human Rights issues. Anna Berger is a moderately skilled German fencer. There are Bergers all over the place. Productive clan apparently. So who's this Berger Berger guy Red? But you should know Andreas - Lotta means female soldier in Swedish (I think). So your third link in the sig will be getting a steady supply of scandinavian visitors I am sure. Cherioops Dandelion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 That would explain the number of hits on the site. All the best Andreas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Originally posted by Dandelion: But you should know Andreas - Lotta means female soldier in Swedish (I think). The Finnish female auxiliary force was called Lotta Svärd after the charater (IIRC a girlfriend or wife of one of the main characters) in Runebergs "Stories by Ensign Ståhl". Lotta is a Nordic womans first name and AFAIK has no warlike connotations in itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 BTW - any news from Mattias at your end Dandelion? Cheers Andreas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Gebirgspanzer.Of course. I feel silly, now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Originally posted by Andreas: BTW - any news from Mattias at your end Dandelion? Cheers Andreas Saw him just the other day, hadn't seen him or heard fom him for half a year by then. He hasn't been answering letters or calls. Ran into him on the street by chance. He looked kind of pale actually, didn't seem to feel very good. Couldn't get much of an answer out of him regarding his disappearance and lack of response to any of the attempts to reach him. Asked him if he needed any help but he didn't answer. So he didn't say no either. He said he was in a hurry, and that he'd get in touch with me. But he hasn't. Not yet anyway. Rather discomforting encounter really. Can't help but thinking something is wrong. Not much I can do but wait though. He is no longer registered anywhere, impossible to find any adress or phonenumber. Cheers Dandelion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Originally posted by Tero: Originally posted by Dandelion: But you should know Andreas - Lotta means female soldier in Swedish (I think). The Finnish female auxiliary force was called Lotta Svärd after the charater (IIRC a girlfriend or wife of one of the main characters) in Runebergs "Stories by Ensign Ståhl". Lotta is a Nordic womans first name and AFAIK has no warlike connotations in itself. I beg to differ. This pigtail looks rather warlike Cheers D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Originally posted by Andreas: That would explain the number of hits on the site. All the best Andreas Hey wait a minute. I now note you have a picture of a diorama of the battle of Midtskogen in there. Wasn't there somebody desperately looking for a map of the Midtskogen battle some time ago? Somebody working on a mod for the norwegians as well. Wasn't it an american or canadian with danish heritage or the like? Somebody we know around here? Cheers Dandelion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Originally posted by Dandelion: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andreas: BTW - any news from Mattias at your end Dandelion? Cheers Andreas Saw him just the other day, hadn't seen him or heard fom him for half a year by then. He hasn't been answering letters or calls. Ran into him on the street by chance. He looked kind of pale actually, didn't seem to feel very good. Couldn't get much of an answer out of him regarding his disappearance and lack of response to any of the attempts to reach him. Asked him if he needed any help but he didn't answer. So he didn't say no either. He said he was in a hurry, and that he'd get in touch with me. But he hasn't. Not yet anyway. Rather discomforting encounter really. Can't help but thinking something is wrong. Not much I can do but wait though. He is no longer registered anywhere, impossible to find any adress or phonenumber. Cheers Dandelion </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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