Tank Hunter Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Am I blind or are Soviet T-35 tanks excluded from CMBB? How come? T-35A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 When CMBB was made the CM engine could not handle multiple turret vehicles. Changes has been made in CMAK, which will feature multi gun tanks. M. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Whoa, do you mean multi-turreted will show up in CMAK and we don't have to wait til CM2? I thought the new engine would have the capability not the reused CMBB/CMBO engine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by Hans: Whoa, do you mean multi-turreted will show up in CMAK and we don't have to wait til CM2?That's what BFC says. I think the only tank it will apply to is the M3 Lee/Grant though. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 There are several british tanks with more than one turret. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Hunter Posted August 10, 2003 Author Share Posted August 10, 2003 Too bad.. I just wanted to test it in combat and se if it's any good.. =) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Doubt it, very thin frontal armor for it's weight. It's one of the reasons the Kv series was developed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Thanks Michael Wow I can dust off my M3 scenario I couldn't do in CMBB and apply it to Grants and Lees in NA - yehaaa. quick question, the 75mm side mounted gun, was that a short barrelled HV or howitzer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 The 75 was a revised version of the 75 arty piece (the old French 75) with new ammo. I think it would be classified as a medium velocity. Kind of in between the 75 short of the PIV and the 75 of the Sherman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by Denwad: There are several british tanks with more than one turret. Don't leave us in suspense, man! What were they? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Well, the Crusader MKI had 2 MG turrets and a main turret. Theres some other I can't remember, I think an AC with 2 turrets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by Denwad: Well, the Crusader MKI had 2 MG turrets and a main turret. Theres some other I can't remember, I think an AC with 2 turrets. The Cruiser A9 had two MG turrets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 The T-35 is an interesting curiosity: I'd like to see how it'd handle pure infantry at a given distance. But as already mentioned, the tank has ridicilous armor: I think even a standard 20mm AP flak round can achieve a frontal penetration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Hunter Posted August 10, 2003 Author Share Posted August 10, 2003 I guess you're right it's no match to AT-fire. Here is the profile and armoring scheme for the T-35. T-35 Profile and Armoring Scheme Look at the front armor! <g> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 If you are loking forward to crappy multi-turreted tanks then you should be happy with CMAK. The Italian main battle tank before the M13,M14 and M15 was a tin can known as the M11/39. This is SLIGHTLY better than the CVs but it was slow, had a low velocity 37mm gun set in the hull along with a breda MG in a one man turret. Almost all of these tanks were lost during Wavell's counteroffensive in '40. Consequently many were captured and used by the Australian 9th(?) Infantry Division and there are photos of these tanks with large kangaroos painted on their turrets (get ready, modders). So, although amusing to use in CMAK, these things will survive as long as trucks do in battle. I am not computer savvy enough to attach links and photos to my posts but there are plenty of photos available--I THINK Actung! Panzer has them in their vast index. Not having the T-35 was also disappointing for me as well, but the one GLARING absence is the T-28s. These were the main battle tank before the T-34s went into full scale production. Without these T-28s I feel scenario designers are handcuffed when designing Winter War and '41 battles. I believe the T-28s lasted in service until late '42. So, I guess we all have to wait until CMx2 for these Russian tanks. But I'm not getting any younger... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Where did you hear that? I would be very upset if the Churchill Mk I wouldn't make it in. I can't believe that BFC would go through the effort of fixing the multi turret limit and then only doing the M3 and leaving out the M11s, Churchills and Cruisers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Originally posted by Denwad: Well, the Crusader MKI had 2 MG turrets and a main turret.Doesn't count. MGs are already independently targeted. The innovation is multiple gun armed turrets. Previously the engine was unable to handle that. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Originally posted by Tweety: I would be very upset if the Churchill Mk I wouldn't make it in. I can't believe that BFC would go through the effort of fixing the multi turret limit and then only doing the M3 and leaving out the M11s, Churchills and Cruisers. I didn't mention the Churchill because the 3" gun is mounted in the hull and not in a turret. I guess the fix would apply to it too. The Cruisers should be no problem because they only have one gun. What's the M11? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Denwad: Well, the Crusader MKI had 2 MG turrets and a main turret.Doesn't count. MGs are already independently targeted. The innovation is multiple gun armed turrets. Previously the engine was unable to handle that. Michael </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Michael Emrys: What's the M11?See my earlier post. Try to visualize a CV33 with a large bucket upside down on the top. Now poke a MG through it and you have your M11. I believe the nomenclature was M11/37 and M11/39--not certain--don't have my books with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 M11/39: More on the M11: M11/39 In 1937 prototype was built. Started with 6 road wheels and was similar to American M3 Lee except had 37 mm in sponson. Eventually had 8 road wheels. Had no radio. Riveted construction. Had 2 Breda 8 mm MGs in the turret and a 37 mm mounted on the right side of the hull. Was intended to be main tank of armored divisions. Each battalion would have 31 tanks. 70 were sent to Africa and joined the 4th Tank Regiment. First action Sidi Azeis, Aug. 5, 1940. Five were captured by the 6th Australian Division and used against the Italians at Tobruk in January 1941. I can't get images to reproduce on this page for some reason, so, for those who are curious enough, take a lok at these tin cans we will soon laugh at (if your opponent has them) or curse them (if YOU have them). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchlstrt Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 It occurs to me that the M3 wasn't a multi-turret Tank. Maybe they've found a way to have a Gun in the hull as mg's are now, not more than one Turret. That still sounds good for the Italian thingie, though. strt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 I guess you're right, but unless you want them independently targeting... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pies Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Dont' Panic Mr Mainwairing! Multiturreted cruisers featured on the CMAK page would suggest all multiturreted tanks will receive due attention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Guys, you're still confused. The M11/39 could be modeled even in the presently existing games as could the Cruisers our pie eating friend has kindly provided us with pictures of. The problem is that the existing engine could not handle the targetting of more than one gun. Got that? So it wouldn't matter whether the extra gun was in a turret, in a sponson, or in the hull. It just couldn't have more than one and be able to fire both of them. It could, however, have all the MGs in the world and be able to aim each of them at different targets (well, two different targets anyway; that's as many as I ever observed in play). Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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