Runyan99 Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 When CMBB came out, I had to stop playing CMBO. The CMBB infantry model was so different (i.e. better and more realistic) than in the previous game that it made CMBO obsolete and unplayable for me. I have not returned to the West Front since. It does not appear that history will repeat itself when CMAK is released. Unless there are some very significant improvements that are still secret, it seems to me that CMAK is basically CMBB in the desert with dust effects. That isn't a bad thing, because it means CMBB is still the 'state of the art', more or less, and will be so until CMx2 is released. I'll be able to enjoy a couple years where I have two excellent games, CMAK and CMBB, that I can play simultaneously, and that together cover a great deal of the ETO under the same 'game system'. CMBB is going to have a long shelf life indeed. Just an observation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salkin Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 You may be right, but on the other hand maybe there is some small tweak that will make people pick CMAK over CMBB. Maybe there is a crucial AI (tac AI or strat AI) tweak or some other significant change that will make CMAK the game to play ... Devs and people whith CMAK experience, comments please !!! //Salkin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pud Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Even if it is exactly the same as CMBB with no tweaks etc there will be a major shift in games played. The one thing I believe will make CMBB gather dust is the fact that you can play a greater variety of Allied troops, as many more nationalities are represented (eg Aussies :cool: ). Added to this is the likelyhood that you will effectively be able to play CMBO (ie a normandy type setting) but with the CMBB engine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Originally posted by Pud: The one thing I believe will make CMBB gather dust is the fact that you can play a greater variety of Allied troops, as many more nationalities are represented (eg Aussies :cool: ).BUT there will be a far smaller variety of Axis troops (eg. no Finns ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 I think people will play them side-by-side. I'm sure most people playing CMBB are aware that they've barely scratched the surface of the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Since CMBB first came out I have asked for an early years game. AK comes close to that. Why the early years? An era of experimenting, (thus variations) with armor and infantry formations. The player could design his own force (within limits) without much criticisim because that is what was happening. Less emphasis on the big armor vs bigger gun race. Interesting AFVs. (also could be read 'quirky') If an Early Years game does come out the new game engine will be required to handle the variety. For instance tanks with multiple main armaments. Maybe then the cavalry and motorcycle enthusiasts will have their wishes granted too. Quirky..... Toad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugilist Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Meh. I'll definitely buy it but the North Africa stuff is uninteresting to me. I want to see lots of Sicily and Italy, particularly well modelled mountainous terrain (like eichenbaum's recent stuff). But from what I've seen of the screenshots it looks very promising. It'll be nice to play Canadian troops with the AI improvements. I am definitely getting tired of the distinct lack of upside down tin soup bowl helmets and hot-tea grenades and lumberjack jackets and eskimo smg squads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think a lot of people will discover North Africa through CMAK, and realise that it was a more interesting theatre than they originally thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 And thanks to the terrain, etc available in 44/45, you'll also have CMBO again, for the most part, with all the great tweaks. I love the eastern front, but I am looking forward to be able to game Africa, Italy, Russia, and the Western Front to boot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I can well imagine after romping across Italy and N. Africa for awhiile one could get the urge to play QB of ISU-122 sp guns vs King Tigers in blizzard conditions for a change-of-pace. I envision CMBB and CMAK being a single vast 3 gig game of unprescidented scope. Doesn't the Battlefront main page say they're eventually going to start bundling the two games together for sale? [ October 27, 2003, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwazydog Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 The main differences will be dust and desert combat, multi turreted tanks, new reserch into armour penetration calculations plus a huge bunch of smaller additions and tweaks mentioned elsewhere in the CMAK forum. I think peple will be playing both for a long time to come Dan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moshe Malyevshevsky Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Greetings....... Myself, I'm drooling, thinking about all of those mods that are going to come out :eek: Moshe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I'll keep it alive for some time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Captain Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I totally agree that CMAK won't make CMBB obsolete. I do look forward to playing in the desert and using the Allies again, but the Eastern Front is just so huge with so many variables I don't see how I could stop playing it. I agree with MikeyD when he said, "I envision CMBB and CMAK being a single vast 3 gig game of unprecedented scope." That's my take exactly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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