offtaskagain Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 [ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: panzerwerfer42 ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Upside down star? Must be Canadian. Probably stole those uniforms off some drunk Yanks, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted October 24, 2001 Author Share Posted October 24, 2001 All it needs is a tripod Bren and then nothing will ever stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by panzerwerfer42: All it needs is a tripod Bren and then nothing will ever stop it!<hr></blockquote> Well, the Finns probably could, you know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 I suspect that is a German commando unit's Panther, disguised to look something like a Sherman 76 from a distance. And the guys on it are Germans in US uniforms. I think something under 50 Panthers had this disguise made for them, for the Bulge operation. Neat pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Uh, Jason? That's a King Tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tero Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Well, the Finns probably could, you know... Every überFinn knows you can foul the running gear with sawdust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Yep. It's very suspicious that the stars are on pieces of cloth, easily removed, instead of painted on, and that the front star is upside down. To start with I'd hose it down with MG fire to get rid of the infantry, and ask questions later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 I think Guards Armoured actually used a Panther, and I have read of at least two more cases where runners (one Tiger, one Panther) were collected (the Tiger had to be left behind due to bridging issues, and I don't know what became of the Panther). At Villers-Bocage, a German Major (IIRC) took one of the Cromwells for a spin - it was left with running engine by the crew who decided they had some prior engagement elsewhere. He put a corporal with a Swastika flag on top and drove right up to his regimental HQ. He had to stall it by driving up to a tree and revving it, since he could not find how to turn it off. I don't think he was impressed with it. (story from memory - details in question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaker Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Well, according to Hollywood, you can go up to these "suspicious" individuals and ask them a question that only a true American can know! Ask them who won the 1938 World Series or something! If they're wrong, hose them down with Tommy Gun fire! Hope they're good with sports trivia! The King Tiger is a different matter altogether though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 WOW :eek: Jason misidentified King Tiger with Panther! That's one of the funniest things i've seen on this board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Warmaker: Well, according to Hollywood, you can go up to these "suspicious" individuals and ask them a question that only a true American can know! Ask them who won the 1938 World Series or something! If they're wrong, hose them down with Tommy Gun fire! Hope they're good with sports trivia! The King Tiger is a different matter altogether though...<hr></blockquote> So I could go up to Germanboy and confirm his nationality by asking him "what is Hitler's real last name and who is his mistress" (sucks -- that wont work, no one knew either). I would just, in Hollywood fashion, yell "Heil Hitler" and watch as all the guys fell off the tank trying to get their arms into one of those elephant salutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by JonS: Uh, Jason? That's a King Tiger.<hr></blockquote> JASONC IS REALLY STEVEN AMBROSE!!!!! WHO KNEW??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by JasonC: I suspect that is a German commando unit's Panther, disguised to look something like a Sherman 76 from a distance. And the guys on it are Germans in US uniforms. I think something under 50 Panthers had this disguise made for them, for the Bulge operation. Neat pic.<hr></blockquote> I have seen one image of a Panther disguised with tinplate to resemble an M10 GMC, but was not aware that they tried to fake up other Allied tanks as well (ie Sherman 76). Does anyone have any detailed data on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 More data on German fake Sherman 76: It didn't happen. M10's welded turret could be duplicated with sheet metal. Can't say the same for the cast Sherman turret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakko Ichiu Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 THE UPSIDEDOWN STAR IS THE MARK OF THE DEVIL! THESE ARE THE SOLDIERS OF SATAN! THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING. I READ IT IN NOSTRADAMUS. BTS PLEASE FIX OR DO SOMEFINK!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanaka Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>THE UPSIDEDOWN STAR IS... <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Upside down star?... <hr></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:</font><hr> the front star is upside down... <hr></blockquote> You guys don't understand !?! The reason for the star to be "upside down", is for when another tank driver looks into its mirrors sees it "upside up" Don't say this to no one... The picture is a fake ! [ 10-24-2001: Message edited by: Tanaka ]</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffertape Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 I've seen the Panther to M-10 conversion used in the bulge, but I've never heard of a KT conversion. I rather doubt that this picture is a German attempt at US camoflage - what would it pass for? A Pershing, maybe? My two cents say that its GIs taking a captured KT for a spin, with hasty stars thrown on just in case. If I'm wrong, I guess I'll get hosed down by tommy gun fire along with them! GAFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by gaffertape: My two cents say that its GIs taking a captured KT for a spin, with hasty stars thrown on just in case.<hr></blockquote> You got it. I've seen this picture before, or another one off the same roll of film, with an explanatory caption. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskander Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 Those GI's are using some interesting mods on that Sherman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 I fail to understand why the "Ami's" would need King Tigers. When any Pfc with a tin and a bit of string can call down a ToT from 2 battalions of heavies faster than a KT can rotate it's turret 360 degrees, who needs 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Fox: I fail to understand why the "Ami's" would need King Tigers. When any Pfc with a tin and a bit of string can call down a ToT from 2 battalions of heavies faster than a KT can rotate it's turret 360 degrees, who needs 'em.<hr></blockquote> It's simple, Simon. The tank is for the guy calling in the ToT to hide in, just in case he transposed one of the coordinates or some other SNAFU that gets the ToT dropped on him instead. Of course, the guys sitting on top won't be so thrilled. Pictures like that above remind me about Willie's comment in one "Willie & Joe" cartoon: "I'd rather dig. A moving foxhole attracts the eye." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapdragon Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Simon Fox: I fail to understand why the "Ami's" would need King Tigers. When any Pfc with a tin and a bit of string can call down a ToT from 2 battalions of heavies faster than a KT can rotate it's turret 360 degrees, who needs 'em.<hr></blockquote> Trophies Simon. Cut their heads off and hang them on the wall as proof of your kills. A very American tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Tanaka: The reason for the star to be "upside down", is for when another tank driver looks into its mirrors sees it "upside up" <hr></blockquote> Okay since you seem to have all the answers can you explain this to me? Why does a mirror reverse right/left but not up/down. thx, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscript Bagger Posted October 24, 2001 Share Posted October 24, 2001 I thought they did, in the southern hemisphere anyway... maybe argie or one of our Aussie friends can tell us for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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