GenSplatton Posted August 16, 2001 Share Posted August 16, 2001 I have developed some firepower tables, msotly for myself and the members of the Band of Brothers Ladder. Basically, they lay out firepower based on range and cost at the platoon level, which is the basic unit that can be bought in CM. It allows a quick comparison of the different infantry platoons for the Axis and the Allies, allowing you to see the bang for the buck you get with each platoon type. I'm thinking of expanding the table but, before I do so, I'd like to get a wider range of folks to look at them to see if you all think these tables actually provide useful information, or if they are just a waste of time. These things were allot of work and I don't want to spend time doing more with them if they serve no purpose. So, if you are bored and are looking to waste a few minutes of your time, hop on over and check out the firepower tables on my page and give me your HONEST opinion. All will be gladly accepted, even if they are bad reviews! Also, Peter's artillery spreadsheet and Chris Hare's tables can be found there if you want them. GenSplatton's Page Thanks in advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedbump Posted August 16, 2001 Share Posted August 16, 2001 First off, nice job. This type of thing does take quite a bit of time. Not being a grog, I have often wanted a "cheatsheet" that would give me this type of information without having to scroll through all of the optional units. My main comment is that I would like to see a summary table. For example, a column with cost, then each of the ranges. Each row would represent the sum of the platoon. In this way we could quickly make comparisons without having to scan. Another thought would be is there a way to set up a table with weapons? Maybe columns representing weapon classes, rifles, SMGs, Squad MG's, etc. Just a thought or two. Speedbump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 16, 2001 Author Share Posted August 16, 2001 The summary table is an excellent idea. I can accomplish that fairly easily. As for the weapons list, yes it could be done. The reason I didn't have that already is that the tables over at the Dogs of War already supply that info. However, I can see how it would be useful. I'll look at adding it in if I think I can do so with making the table unwieldy. The one thing I do strive to do is make sure folks won't have to scroll sideways to view info. I personally like to be able to see the entire platoon in one glance, without having to hit a scrollbar left or right. Much thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 16, 2001 Author Share Posted August 16, 2001 Sorry, got to bump it once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted August 17, 2001 Share Posted August 17, 2001 That is a very useful tool. Looks like a lot of work so I for one thank you. I will use it now that I know of it. I can't think of any comments to make to improve it but will think about it and let you know if I come up with something. First time I ever visited your site but I will from now on. I'm really impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gredeker Posted August 17, 2001 Share Posted August 17, 2001 Looks great. I would add one more thing - another row underneath the firepower row, which divides the firepower at each range by the regular platoon cost - i.e., cost per point of firepower at each of the ranges. Keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Saunders Posted August 17, 2001 Share Posted August 17, 2001 Very nice site. Thanks! I agree with the suggestions for the summary sheet and the cost per firepower breakdown. Other then that, the tables look good. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 17, 2001 Author Share Posted August 17, 2001 Thanks guys. Great suggestions all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 How about an HTML or RTF version? Not everyone has Excel or runs Windows. Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 For which John? The firepower tables I designed are an HTM file. Admittedly, I used Excel to design the layout, but the file is an HTM file type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfgardner Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 Great work, but one personal note of warning: Please don't let analysis and tips about CM degenerate into the endless statistical analysis that was rampant in SL/ASL tips and techniques. :eek: You know, the "if your 4-6-7 squad attacking a tank you have x% chance of hit at range Y and z% chance of kill. I get enough of that in my day job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 No worries there mate! What I use them for essentially is, if I have a game coming up and I know it's a night engagement, or day in heavy fog, I can saunter over to the tabel and look at 40m attack ranges and such, to see which units I want to try. I freely admit, I made the table as much for my benefit as for anyone elses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 GenSplatton, My mistake! I saw "Excel format" and promptly leapt to the wrong conclusion. I now have hard copies for both sides. Most useful, also scary! BTW, your Gebirgsjager entries below the main header are misspelled. Many thanks! John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 I assume you mean on the menu? I'll check it out. Thanks! Found it... [ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: GenSplatton ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GenSplatton: hop on over and check out the firepower tables on my page and give me your HONEST opinion.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ok, you asked for it. I think it would look nice to have a larger separation between the main infantry categories. A bar ({HR} in HTML) between the Sturmgruppe info and the Waffen SS header, for example, would help make things a bit more orderly IMO. The first German Rifle platoon is Rifle 44. You listed the individual platoons as Rif44, but not the header. Yes, I'm picking nits. The number of Fausts that come with each Plt is kinda random. Saying that you get 2 or 3 or 4 isn't always necessarily accurate. Also, the type of Faust you get depends on the time of year. Jun44~Aug44 you get PF-30. Sep44-Jan45 is PF-60. Feb45 onward is PF-100. So since the German Rifle 45's are available starting in Jan45, they will get PF-60 when playing the QB in Jan. But they get PF-100 for the other months they're available. Both PzGren and PzGren Pioneer Plts come in two varieties: Motorized and Armored. Their squad makeup and firepower is dramatically different. You only list the Motorized Plts. Same goes for the SS side. Like their Heer counterparts, the SS gets Rifle-45 troops as well. You forgot the Escort squads. SS Escort as well. And it would be nice to have Bn and Co HQ FP numbers. The Ger Rif44 Bn actually has more FP at 40m than the regular 9-man squad does! Still a nice job. Thanks for the effort! - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 VERY nice!! I learned a lot browsing your site. I've bookmarked it for future reference. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 "I think it would look nice to have a larger separation between the main infantry categories. A bar ({HR} in HTML) between the Sturmgruppe info and the Waffen SS header, for example, would help make things a bit more orderly IMO." Hmm, I may have to try that and see what I think. Initially I didn't have the divisions in there, then decided it would be easier on the eyes if I did have a divider. I then attempted to NOT spread things to much, in an effort to make things more compressed and therefore easier to scan. I'm not adverse to change though. If it looks better, then it will be in there. "The first German Rifle platoon is Rifle 44. You listed the individual platoons as Rif44, but not the header. Yes, I'm picking nits." Hmm, I fully spelled out Rifle everywhere. I just looked. I don't see Rif44 anywhere!?! "The number of Fausts that come with each Plt is kinda random. Saying that you get 2 or 3 or 4 isn't always necessarily accurate. Also, the type of Faust you get depends on the time of year. Jun44~Aug44 you get PF-30. Sep44-Jan45 is PF-60. Feb45 onward is PF-100. So since the German Rifle 45's are available starting in Jan45, they will get PF-60 when playing the QB in Jan. But they get PF-100 for the other months they're available." Yes, I did realize that, although to late. Rather than remove the numbers, I should probably replace it with with an "expect to receive approximately x" type statement. "Both PzGren and PzGren Pioneer Plts come in two varieties: Motorized and Armored. Their squad makeup and firepower is dramatically different. You only list the Motorized Plts. Same goes for the SS side." True. That was a conscience decision. The amount of equipment that comes with an Armored platoon, well, it was just to much. To list all the extra additional weapons would be huge. I planned to tackle that at a future date. With CM2 being as close as it is, that may not get done. Unless I can get a laptop to take on the road when I deploy. Then it would get done and then some! "Like their Heer counterparts, the SS gets Rifle-45 troops as well." Missed that one. Actually, I missed the Rifle 45 alltogether until someone told me. I built the page using default dates and missed some things initially. I try to add them as people bring it up. An example is the Sturmgruppe. That's only been there a week or two. "You forgot the Escort squads. SS Escort as well." Hmm, are they like Sturmgruppe in that they can only be bought in company size? Or are they a"later" unit? I'll have to reasearch them. "And it would be nice to have Bn and Co HQ FP numbers. The Ger Rif44 Bn actually has more FP at 40m than the regular 9-man squad does!" Well, I'm trying to keep it platoon size honestly, since I feel that is the most commonly purchased unit size. Once again, if time permits... Nitpick away. I take all suggestions and do what I can!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GenSplatton: Hmm, I fully spelled out Rifle everywhere. I just looked. I don't see Rif44 anywhere!?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> On the German page the first platoon is simply called "Rifle Platoon", whereas the Rif45 below it is called "Rifle 45 Platoon". Like I said, picking nits. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Wolfe originally wrote: "Both PzGren and PzGren Pioneer Plts come in two varieties: Motorized and Armored." GenSplatton responded: True. That was a conscience decision. The amount of equipment that comes with an Armored platoon, well, it was just to much. To list all the extra additional weapons would be huge.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I agree about the extraneous weapons, but PzGren(Mot) and PzGren(Armr) are two different squad types, and can be bought in platoon sizes. You only have the Motorized version listed. i.e.: <font face="Courier"> Squad Type............Men...40m..100m..250m..500m...Weapons PzGren (Mot)...........10...236...149....79....41...5Rif,2MP44,1SMG,2LMG PzGren (Armr)...........8...223...139....73....39...3Rif,2MP44,1SMG,2LMG PzGren Pioneer (Mot)....8...152....92....47....23...5Rif,1MP44,1SMG,1LMG PzGren Pioneer (Armr)..11...245...152....81....42...6Rif,1MP44,2SMG,2LMG </font> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Hmm, are they like Sturmgruppe in that they can only be bought in company size? Or are they a"later" unit? I'll have to reasearch them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yep, the Escort squads can only be bought as part of a Company. - Chris [ 08-20-2001: Message edited by: Wolfe ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 Ok, got it. Thanks. p.s. I like that format for weapons. May be a good look and a good way to add weapons (which was a request) to the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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