The_Capt Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 OK, When these little bastards work they really work!! I just played a PBEM movie turn where a PzF 100 took out an Elite Super Pershing at 80m. Do we have any penetration data on these little guys? If some one can tell me how, I'll post a screenshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike8g Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Right, but other AT-weapons have their highlights, too. Just achieved a 196m kill (second shot) with a regular PIAT, which maximum range is 200m. Excellent accuracy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barticus Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 196m with a PIAT!? Hmm, must have hit the TOP armour B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike8g Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Barticus, your idea seems logical, but it was an upper hull penetration Here's an image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiborhead Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Mike8g, cripes that's a long shot! My zook teams can't even hit a target 20 meters away most of the time. Out of curiosity, what kind of SP gun was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike8g Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 tiborhead, don't know, the game is still running. The graphic shows a Marder III, but this might not be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Capt, As for penetration of a PzF, it is "more than enough" for any allied tank :eek: :eek: !! IIRC it's something like 200+ mm at 0° :cool: ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Kruger Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Where did you get the Sean Connery graphic?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mike8g: Barticus, your idea seems logical, but it was an upper hull penetration Here's an image: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No wonder he hit fromthat range -- your PIAT team is lead by Sean Connery. As I understand it, he was later promoted to command of a British Airborne division for his prowess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barticus: 196m with a PIAT!? Hmm, must have hit the TOP armour B<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I thought the PIAT was a shaped charge weapon - making the range much less important than in a standard AP round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USTanker Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 MrSpkr is right, shape charge work the same independent of range. The range just makes it harder to hit. If you hit the target the effects are exactly the same. Pzfausts, bazookas, and PIATs all utilize shape charge warheads. [ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: USTanker ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike8g Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Herr Kruger, can't remember, but I've sent it to you via email. (As MrSpkr might have said: I hv snt y th Sn Cnnry grphcs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrSpkr: No wonder he hit fromthat range -- your PIAT team is lead by Sean Connery. As I understand it, he was later promoted to command of a British Airborne division for his prowess.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Did he play Urqhart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CMplayer: Did he play Urqhart?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MrSpkr: Yes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I never saw it. Who was Frost...? (digging around in the closet to find the old CC2 cdrom....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpkr Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CMplayer: I never saw it. Who was Frost...? (digging around in the closet to find the old CC2 cdrom....)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ANthony Hopkins. A full list of the cast can be found here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by USTanker: MrSpkr is right, shape charge work the same independent of range.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True enough. The thing is that at extreme range you would have to aim very high and the round would be plunging by the time it got to the target. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Duke Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 Pnzfst 60 is also very lethal in heavy/moderate woods. I had a tournament game where 3 M4A3 Shermans where knocked out by 3 pnzfst 60 rounds...3/3! Another was KO'd by the infamous Pnzrshrk...all the German AT weapons where ahead of their time IMO, and they "set the standard" for future man-portable AT weapons like the RPG. Great shot with that PIAT BTW...man, it seems that everyone else can get those damned things to work, but when I use them, they couldn't hit the broad side of an elephant's ass! And that goes for Bazooka teams as well...only German weapons work for me! LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by USTanker: MrSpkr is right, shape charge work the same independent of range.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> True enough. The thing is that at extreme range you would have to aim very high and the round would be plunging by the time it got to the target. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacestick Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 Iron Duke You think you have problems, I just had a veteran shreck fire five rounds at a 105mm Sherman from 69m in light snow for no hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pud Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 The only vehicle I have seen to survive a direct hit from a Pzfaust is the ugly old churchill, direct hit "internal amour flaking" but it survived! Mind you its a slow tank and didnt get very far before getting a second direct hit and began impersonating a barbecue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equinox Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 I just had a Hetzer survive something like five rounds from a Bazooka at 50-60 meters. I was astonished and rather pissed off. Upper Hull hit, no damage. Arg! :mad: :eek: If nothing else it scared the remainder of the AI's armor into a ambush zone I set up for one of my tanks, so I was satisfied in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 196m? Was that an from an explicit target order, or did the TacAI choose to make that (presumably VERY difficult) shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barticus Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 MrSpkr and USTanker, Micheal is correct. I was alluding more to the fact that the PIAT has a trajectory like a rainbow, and Cpl Russel (masquerading as Sean Connery) must have been Micheal Jordan's Grandfather in order to hit at that range. You are also both correct in that shaped charges will penetrata X amount of armour, if they hit, regardless of the range of the target. Any way you want to look at it, one HELL of a good shot! B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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