Panzer Comander whats your opinion?

[mensch]

has anyone played the 3d game Panzer commander.. and what do you think.. I'm a zipper head and like to have my head sticking out of a tank as the commander the screenshots look amazing and the reviews too? any CM players have that game? and if so.. is it also realistic in terms of ballistics and so on? thanks.

[ahauschild]

Yes I have played it, but was not to impressed with the general game play. I like Panzer Elite much better. The play seemd more real. Panzer Elite has some problems also, but the can be managed and the game overall seems more real.

Andreas

[Stuka]

Ya Herr Menschenburger,

Zis game takez me back to mein dayz as a yunge panzer kommander ven ve rolled across ze steppez in our kleine tanks to shoot ze ****e out of zer russkies mit meine grosse kannon unt mein uber thingey.

Der screen shotz ver zo realiztic zat I crapped meine hosen ( or maybe that vas der incontinenz, I am 95 yarre olt after all)

At ze Hannover retirement village for ze insane alt nazi-types, I am ze talk of der town, meine komeraden vatch ze screenshotz und think it is der newsreelz unt that gormany did finish mit eine gold medal in der World War 2 event.

I rekommend zis game, it is der big fun, even for a girly-boy schulemadchen like you.

[Quenaelin]

I could remind you that this is little bit off-topic in CM forum but anyway. I bought it but I returned it to shop immediatly and therefore got only half of its cost, but it was so bad. No infantry and trees like boxes and so on. My vote goes to Panzer Elite too. I tried the demo, even graphics aren't best ones, but game play is much better. If you have two choices choose Panzer Elite. I am little bit amazed why there isn't proper tanksim yet, Steel Beast is try to be good one, but I don't bought it until it supports 3D-card and has air-strikes.

[mensch]

well thank you very much Stuka SheepShagger.. words of wisdom from a lad that has been convicted 40 times for sheep porn I'll take with a pinch of cyinide.

btw your fake german accent... don't quit your day job. Which I remember is what? picking up soap in the shower for the boyz at the jail?

well back to topic.. does Panzer comander or panzer elite use realistic armour values with degrees and velocity? or is there a tank simulator out there that has that?

[This message has been edited by mensch (edited 12-07-2000).]

[mensch]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quenaelin:

I could remind you that this is little bit off-topic in CM forum but anyway.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dear mr. NEW GUY... if you have knoticed most post are generaly on wargaming CM or not sometimes there about SHEEP. sometimes they are general questions, and yes gamers talking about games.. also asking fellow "MEMBERS" if one is going to buy another game, any suggestions.. BTS is not MICRO$OFT that my get upset when you start talking about other games in thier forum.. if anything I think they don't mind.. 1) becuase there is no other game that one can compare to 2) CM players are damn loyal.. if word got out MS was trying to put BTS out of business there would be a hell of alot fo CM players fixing newly bought sniper scopes on mr. billys head that I can assure you.

but thanks for your opinion.. I'll check out Panzer Elite.

[Crank_GS]

Quenaelin: You could remind him that it is off-topic?? I could remind you that you spelled "immediately" incorrectly, but I won't. Heck, it seems pretty on-topic to me. It must have seemed on-topic to you too, as you went on to provide us with your veteran's opinion.

Mensch: I have Panzer Commander. It was fun; I liked it. I liked driving around shooting stuff. But with extremely weak infantry representation, it lacked a lot. All in all, for today's price, it is a good enough game to play around with. BUT - after you're done playing with it, you will come back to CM to battle.

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Capt. Byron Crank, US Army

[Quenaelin]

Sorry, Sorry talk want you want,I am not your judge but this is my opinion. But I don't still like to read anything about Close Combat tactics in this forum or similar kind of things if it hasn't anything else to do with CM except it is WWII game. But still I don't have to reply to these messages, that is my choice.

But this forum thing, I give you example:

You come to room where is meeting going on which is suppose to talk about Ford engines, becouse everybody knows about Ford engines, but you know about Toyota and start talking about Toyota engines. Lots of people knows it is car engine but nothing else. So is it good or bad to know about Toyota engines if you are Ford engineer, If it is somehow important to developing Ford engines it is good to know, but otherwise it just makes no difference and it is irrelevant information.

[mccooper]

Hello

I picked up Pz Cmder as soon as it became available and I thought it was a blast. I'd sit back and laugh as 75mm Sherman's bounced shells off of my Tiger I and I'd just about **** myself when I was commanding a Sherman and a Tiger came into play.

Sure there are no infantry (not counting the various bunkers) and the game has a few problems but when it came out there weren't many choices unless you count iPanzer 44 and that the worst of this trio. The game also takes into account armour thickness, angles, gun etc etc.

As for Pz Elite - sure it has better and more features such as infantry running around the place (lots of funs to chase em down and squish em but it was also released a yr after Pz Cmder and that makes a huge difference. The game also has its problems - my biggest gripe being that its sluggish on a PII 300 with double stats of the recommended system (a 266 with 64 MB). Like Pz Cmder I got the game when it came out but I shelved it after a couple of weeks and it will stay there until I upgrade my system in the new year.

In the end both are just games and cannot be treated as accurate be-all-end-all sims. If you just want to tear around the battle field and vape enemy tanks Pz Cmder is a great buy - even more so now thats its discount title.

Later

PS as for sticking your head out the hatch if you not careful you'll lose it.

[Bruno Weiss]

I got Panzer Commander the day it hit the shelf. Looked at it, and was dissappointed with the crude graphics. Played with it and was dissappointed with the game play and interface. I then unloaded it, took it back for a refund and have been laughing ever since.

Only thing scares me is that Ultimatim is now doing SH2. Now, I would have given them a decent chance and not brought up the subject of Panzer Commander save for the fact that they announced SH2 will not have a career or campaign option. Sort of like designing a horse without legs. But not to take up space in this forum over it, view any of the subsim forums for that ongoing Vietnam.

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"Gentlemen, you may be sure that of the three courses

open to the enemy, he will always choose the fourth."

-Field Marshal Count Helmuth von Moltke, (1848-1916)

[mensch]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quenaelin:

But I don't still like to read anything about Close Combat tactics in this forum or similar kind of things if it hasn't anything else to do with CM except it is WWII game. But still I don't have to reply to these messages, that is my choice.

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right quenaelin.. your new here I'll give you that, so I won't bite... much. look BTS will tell you Mad Matt will tell you heck Steve will tell you.. If you dont like what you see don't read it heck don't open it.. but you did give me good info on what to look for.. most of the saps.. er I mean players here have a wide range of games.. and most of thier opinions I take to hart and mind, I play CM more than any game out there..if BTS decided to make a Tank Sim.. guess who here has the first order form sent to them.. me! but unfortunatly they don't have one in the works or on the plans to do one.. so.. doing so I ask my fellow CM buddies.. get a life pal we can discuss anything here.. related to war, related games, related tactics.. related to heck weapon types... If I brought up the question did the British use tactics to carefuly that one could accuse them that this was the downfall of the Falaise Pocket....it has nothing mentioning the CM game... but you'll see thousand of Gronards come out of the wood work to argue the point... so your statement is moot. carry on.

btw "Close Combat tactics" if one thinks there are tactics involved in CC... I truly feel sorry for them... its a game.. CM is a simulator a .. way of life.

[This message has been edited by mensch (edited 12-07-2000).]

[Wild Bill Wilder]

I like Panzer Commander. It is simple to play and fun. I miss it having no infantry.

Scenarios are a major nightmare to design in the game. But for a simple tank sim to get in a tank and kill other tanks, it's a lot of fun.

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Wild Bill

Lead Tester

Scenario Design Team

Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord

billw@matrixgames.com

[ParaBellum]

I liked Panzer Commander, too. O.K., the graphics are not so nice as those in Panzer Elite, although I liked the Panzer models a lot. The AI, especially of your wingmen was, even after some patches, not that good.

But in which game can you you drive a tank through Poland, France (in 1940), Northern Africa and Russia?

It´s a fun, fast game, but it lacks the depht of Panzer Elite. When you ever scored a hit in PE over a distance of 2000 meters with full realism, you could be really proud!

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Klotzen, nicht kleckern!

[Guest YK2]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quenaelin:

But this forum thing, I give you example:

You come to room where is meeting going on which is suppose to talk about Ford engines, becouse everybody knows about Ford engines, but you know about Toyota and start talking about Toyota engines. Lots of people knows it is car engine but nothing else. So is it good or bad to know about Toyota engines if you are Ford engineer, If it is somehow important to developing Ford engines it is good to know, but otherwise it just makes no difference and it is irrelevant information.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmmmmm I suggest you go post in that "TAKING THE PENG THREAD DOWN UNDER" thread, I think you might find it interesting, Just a little irrelevant information.

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PawBroon, French and official supplier of sig since 1968......

[Guest Big Time Software]

Hey, ease up on Quenaelin. He probably has no idea that 3/4 of what you are saying is meant in jest (Quenaelin, check out the Peng topic to get an understanding about these guys. If you dare ).

In the end, Quenaelin is correct. However, we do let these cross talk posts remain up and running provided they don't cause some sort of major distraction from this Forum. Personally, I think it is valuable as a gamer to ask another gamer with a common point of reference (in this case CM) about some other game. So as long as such questions don't bubble over into full blown discussions about the pros/cons of a particular game other than CM, we GENERALLY let the discussion continue.

Steve

[Guest YK2]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Time Software:

Hey, ease up on Quenaelin. He probably has no idea that 3/4 of what you are saying is meant in jest (Quenaelin, check out the Peng topic to get an understanding about these guys. If you dare ).

In the end, Quenaelin is correct. However, we do let these cross talk posts remain up and running provided they don't cause some sort of major distraction from this Forum. Personally, I think it is valuable as a gamer to ask another gamer with a common point of reference (in this case CM) about some other game. So as long as such questions don't bubble over into full blown discussions about the pros/cons of a particular game other than CM, we GENERALLY let the discussion continue.

Steve<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*Hangs Head In Shame*

Apologies Quenaelin but I am weak and couldn't resist the temptation to tease you..... and now I shall repeat One Thousand Times..

I must not stray from "THE PENG THREAD"

I must not stray from "THE PENG THREAD"

I must not stray from "THE PENG THREAD"

I must not stray from "THE PENG THREAD"

I must not stray from "THE PENG THREAD".....................................

and so on.

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PawBroon, French and official supplier of sig since 1968......

[crepitis]

Mensch,as a former owner of Panzer Commander may I give you this advice?The next time you need a Crap,instead of using the toilet,do it in a box,put a lid on it and write "Panzer Commander"on the front.Believe me it will look better and play better,and maybe even smell better this way.In other words,AVOID,like the plague.

[mensch]

Sowwy Steve..heh. ja get a wee bit carried away sometime... off and on a nasty yellow pussed arm reaches out from the pool to snach a newbie and pull them in... *slap* back arm back..heh

yk2 is correct.... though.. hard to leave those poolie emotions there..

but I did get alot of info on my next possible purchace... I found one fun thing to do though is ride a tank in CM close as my comand tank and boot around with that... hey steve if your ever thinking of making a tank simulator.. you got me down for a purchace.

I just wanted to know if there is a game out there with such amazing detail to ROV and armour specs.. etc...or wow.. I just got a nasty thought... CM Squad Leader... you are like a Squad leader in a .. well Squad done 3D like (ie Rainbow Six) you have orders.. maybe even in a campaign.. you have options to ask for reinfocements..etc... wow.. that would be cool.. first person view..controling a platoon or company .. hmmm.. multi player function as well??? ooh.. ok.. I have been at work to long and my little dream will never come true..

ciao

[Mace]

Panzer Commander was OK, until Panzer Elite came out!

Panzer Elite was OK, until CMBO came out!

Mace (I've got to stop coming out like this)!

[Guest wwb_99]

I agree with above posters that Panzer Elite blows away Panzer Commander as a simulation.

But Panzer Commander is a blast for several reasons.

1) The eastern front. It being there is an intrinsic advantage.

2) Price, now it is availiable for $15 or so. Bigger production run than market.

3) The BT-7. It goes real fast. I used to blow around the battlefield at 50mph. A bit bumpy, but they can't hit you either.

WWB

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Before battle, my digital soldiers turn to me and say,

Ave, Caesar! Morituri te salutamus.

[bigmac@work]

I'm another that will pipe in for Panzer Commander. I've also had it since release and still get in and play around quite a bit in it. Out of the box, previous posters are right, CRAP! With the patches and user add-on scenario's, it's a blast! Your 3D card has a lot to do with it as well. Hell, any game played with a Virge card will suck... Boxy trees? Turn up the 3D details, they go away, or at least don't look too bad when you don't have a lid on them... Like any game nowadays, your video card will determine your enjoyment if you like eye-candy. I still have a simple TNT card (16M) but find the game's graphics more than adequate. The penetration's and power of the various AFV's all seem "right". The variety of scenario's and terrain's are a treat. If you don't have it yet, buy it! Especially since it's in the bargain bin. Patch it, play it, love it...

Bigmac out...

[Fenris]

I got PzCmdr as soon as it was released and had a great time. With the patches and some tweaks you can crew any vehicle and it's a pretty fun game in it's simplicity (compared to PE). All fronts, lots of vehicles, good fun.

I've also recently secured a copy of PE which is by far a better sim and is also fun in it's complexity and graphics.

From what you say in your post Mensch I'd say Panzer Commander would be perfect for what you're looking for.

Reg's

Fen

[ahauschild]

The question of accuracy came up also. I belive Panzer Elite uses true velocity models. Also penetration is handled by how much kinetic energie is remaining, so for instand you get a penetration in the rear of your tank, next is the engine, it absorbes a bit...then if energie left..it may go though your radiator, your gearbox..or whatever else is in the way. Also the actual components for each tank are placed according to the real tank. So if you know that this tank was easy to kill if you hit it in this perticular spot because weak armor on gastank or ammo storage, you could duplicate the same on the model. Tanks overheaded....got stuck, even tipped over in this game. So to answer the question placed earlier, yes, Panzer Elite is very realistic in the combat results.

Andreas