kb6583 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Playing War Without Mercy as the US. It's a huge scenario of course, which means I seem to have a goodly number of on map organic 60mm mortars. Since I see they have a range slightly longer than 1,000 meters, that means that they can range large areas of the map, including the two cities I'm supposed to capture. I mention all of this as background. So I've got them set up as far back as I can while still keeping those cities in range. I have got the mortar platoon leaders in contact with their company cdrs and the company cdrs in contact with the bn cdr. I try and call in arty fire with a company cdr (who can see the target area). "Out of contact". I try the bn cdr - "out of contact". I bring up the platoon leaders to call in the mortars in - "Out of contact". I mean, do I have to bring these mortars really up close and personal with their platoon leaders, et al, so to speak, to make sure that they're "In contact"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Yes, your platoon leaders need to be in voice or close vision communication range of their mortar teams to connect them to the comms net. They also need to be stationary, perhaps for a minute or two, so their radio operator can get set up. Though if the platoon leader is calling the mission, their comms to higher level is irrelevant. The fact that they can't plot an indirect fires mission from their own mortars suggest they aren't in close enough proximity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEB14 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Anyway, 60 mm mortars are much, much more effective in direct firing mode. Better precision, no loss of time for calling/spotting, etc. At the beginning I tried to use them like you do. I completely gave up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, kb6583 said: Playing War Without Mercy as the US. It's a huge scenario of course, which means I seem to have a goodly number of on map organic 60mm mortars. Since I see they have a range slightly longer than 1,000 meters, that means that they can range large areas of the map, including the two cities I'm supposed to capture. I mention all of this as background. So I've got them set up as far back as I can while still keeping those cities in range. I have got the mortar platoon leaders in contact with their company cdrs and the company cdrs in contact with the bn cdr. I try and call in arty fire with a company cdr (who can see the target area). "Out of contact". I try the bn cdr - "out of contact". I bring up the platoon leaders to call in the mortars in - "Out of contact". I mean, do I have to bring these mortars really up close and personal with their platoon leaders, et al, so to speak, to make sure that they're "In contact"? Out of contact means a C2 problem. Are the mortars in contact with their chain of command? To fire indirect on map mortars must be within close visual C2 (12 action spots) of their chain of command or within voice C2 (6 action spots) of any authorized HQ, XO or FO team or within 16 meters (2 action spots) of a radio equipped vehicle. Click on the mortar team and look in the unit information panel in the user interface at the bottom of the screen. There are three boxes for the selected units C2. At least one of those three boxes should have an icon in it for visual close, visual far, radio ect. If all three boxes are empty the selected unit is out of C2 (contact). Also, clicking Alt Z, on the keyboard, will show C2 lines between units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckdyke Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 hours ago, PEB14 said: Anyway, 60 mm mortars are much, much more effective in direct firing mode. Better precision, no loss of time for calling/spotting, etc. At the beginning I tried to use them like you do. I completely gave up. I completely agree with you. If I play Soviet WW2 I use their 81mm as the US use their 60mm. If the mortars are on map regardless nationality direct fire is my first option 2nd option is over the Fire Direction Centre which is very time consuming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Recent experience showed me there's a big difference between US 60mm mortars that come integrated into the company TO&E and 60mm mortars picked up as separate 'specialist teams'. The 'specialist teams' weren't on the radio net so couldn't do indirect fire missions. This so messed with a scenario I was making for the module that I had to delete-and-reimport to allow the mortar to accept indirect fire commands. An added benefit of the change to TO&E mortars was ammo sharing between mortars became possible too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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