A look at the Bradley replacement candidates

[John Kettler]

Weirdly, not one of these potential selectees has any mention of ATGMs as part of its armament.
 

Regards,

John Kettler

[Sgt.Squarehead]

That looks a lot like a dual Spike launcher on the left side of the turret of the vehicle on the video's title screen. 

[ZPB II]

With the amount of exposed sensors next-gen vehicles are packing, shotgun & flechette type precursor rounds will likely be quite useful.

The Jaguar is a fascinating example of expensive, fragile stuff outside armor protection:

 

[John Kettler]

1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said:

That looks a lot like a dual Spike launcher on the left side of the turret of the vehicle on the video's title screen. 

Am inclined to agree, but my point was that it's bizarre to me to ballyhoo the major increase in cannon firepower while saying not word one about on-board ATGMs, especially given the capabilities of today's ATGMs, some of which are multi-role.

ZPB II,

Concur with your point. All those optoelectronic devices, sensors, etc,. provide tremendous capabilities, at the direct expense of creating immense opportunities to degrade combat effectiveness, if not inflict mission kill--without having to penetrate the fighting compartment to do so. Ref the Jaguar, would say that many of the devices do have, save on their primary axis of vision/fire, significant protection vs light frags and small arms, so there is that. And if terrain and other cover is used effectively, the targetable size of this beast will be greatly reduced, with a concomitant positive impact on the likelihood of losing one or more of the rooftop and/or turret face items. Its armament is so substantial, though, that the temptation to use it like a tank will be great. Obviously, THAT won't help survival!

Regards,

John Kettler

[Redwolf]

Maybe the space used by ATGM launchers is reserved for active protection systems.

It all points to not expecting real tanks outside an environment where friendly tanks are around, too. Tanks fight tanks.

And don't forget that APC/IFV units as currently existing have dedicated ATGM carrier variants of the same vehicles (without passengers) with them.

[John Kettler]

Redwolf,

Fair point on first item. Ref second, in theory, yes, but most AFV kills the days are caused by handheld unguided weapons and full-blown ATGMs. not to mention IEDs.

As for the third, while it's true that many nations use special purpose APC/IFV versions, the US has ATGMs on both the M2 Bradley IFV and the M3 Bradley CFV. It's by no means unique in this, either. The Russians have lots of APCs and IFVs sporting ATGMs as well, whether readily visible atop the AFV or not, as in the cannon-launched ATGM on the BMP-3.

Regards,

John Kettler

 

[Sgt.Squarehead]

3 hours ago, ZPB II said:

With the amount of exposed sensors next-gen vehicles are packing, shotgun & flechette type precursor rounds will likely be quite useful.

The Jaguar is a fascinating example of expensive, fragile stuff outside armor protection:

 

And I thought the BTR-4E was bit over-armed! 

[Combatintman]

On 9/25/2021 at 5:22 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said:

And I thought the BTR-4E was bit over-armed! 

The sensors covering the Jaguar's left and right sides are a bit 'so last century' though ...