GreenBlade Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 As a newbie with obviously too much time on his hands----here is the scenario I devised. (Its purpose was to see how many Stuarts it would take to knock out three Tigers. I started with a flat terrain. In the middle I put an irregular grouping of buldings of varying sizes and masonry strength. The victory flag was in a small courtyard in the middle of this ramshackle village. I added other buildings and dense foilage along a north-south axis so there would be only limited LOS from east to west map edges. I started with unit parameters of three concealed Stuart tanks on the western side of the village to face three AI controlled King Tigers. I played this scenario repeatedly, each time editing it with an additional Stuart until I was able to take out all three Tigers. Now would anyone like to guess how many Stuarts I needed to play this scenario to victory by disabling all three Tigers. Hint: it wasn't three---sheesh. Remember this was by a newbie with little knowledge of tactics and each scenario limited to 25 turns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronic Max Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Thirty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.A. Miles Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 I'm guessing 12. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Carr Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Just one. And it probably knocked out the Tiger frontally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 You definitely have too much time on your hands! (Jack: there were *three* Tigers) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil aka Major Tum Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Carr Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: You definitely have too much time on your hands! (Jack: there were *three* Tigers) Well, if there were three Tigers my new guess is two Stuarts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBlade Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 Wow am I embarrassed. It took me 26 Stuarts. Will have to get "Armor Tactics For Dummies." Max was closest but went over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBlade Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 Wow am I embarrassed. It took me 26 Stuarts. Will have to get "Armor Tactics For Dummies." Max was closest but went over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Originally posted by GreenBlade: Wow am I embarrassed. It took me 26 Stuarts. Will have to get "Armor Tactics For Dummies." Ah, the beauty of sarcasm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I'm not sure he was being sarcastic, but he should have been if he wasn't (if you get my drift). I thought Max was close to the mark - Stuarts just aren't designed for fighting Tigers! GaJ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Carr Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Just a slight clarification on my previous posts to this thread. In the Beyond Overlord version of CM, I often found that Tigers were vulnerable frontally to the Stuarts 37mm main gun. If memory serves, the message read something like, "Front penetration at weak point" and the Tiger was toast. Barbarossa to Berlin and Afrika Korps seemed to rectify this disturbingly common occurrence. I'm sure if you did a search on the Beyond Overlord forum, you would find several threads dealing with this peculiarity. Good luck! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Von Television Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Then I believe it was a better and less expensive choice to have an half squad of paratroopers Run or Assault each beast, jumping on it as in Private Ryan, of course armed with the 'sticky bombs', but only if they had been wearing soccers... If you ask me, that part of the movie was quite as the 'assault on fort Apache', and not 'the Alamo', and what about 'Steamboat Willie'? Sure enough he was there grinning and shooting at the heart of Cpt.Miller, a +3 ASL cardboard... but I liked the movie anyway! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameUsedBefore Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Steamboat Willie got his in the end, though the bastard. Great movie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abrams Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 How many of the 26 Stuarts died trying to kill 3 Tigers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Von Television Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 hehehe NUB, and no matter if he was shaved as a HariKrishna! BTW, when you see original pictures of WWII soldiers, the only shaved ones were the US paratroopers' wearing the Mohawk cut, or poor farmers' boys conscripted in the Red Army: nazi's never had shaved heads, but displayed their blond arian cut... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBlade Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 Originally posted by Abrams: How many of the 26 Stuarts died trying to kill 3 Tigers Excellent question. 3 survived, so 23 were taken out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Von Television Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Stuarts Honeys are KV1 if you compare them with those darn Italian tin boxes: at least they have a high speed cannon... If you play the 'Ariete the Ram' scenario you understand what I mean: a single Valentine can advance to 20 meters from AT guns or so called Italian tanks, and they can just exhaust their ammos almost without making any damage on it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronic Max Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 Excellent question. 3 survived, so 23 were taken out.Man. I wish the guy who made the Villers-Bocage operation had read this thread beforehand. As the Allies, I was given something like forty cromwell VIIs, fireflies, Stuarts, and shermans to take out maybe eight tigers and seven panzer IVs. And I was the defender. In hedgerow country. Can you guess what happened? If you guessed, "stuck six tanks in each keyhole position--of which there were at least half a dozen perfectly positioned on the only possible lines of advance--and butchered the axis tanks as they advanced, achieving a better than 1-1 kill ratio", you were correct. I have to say, this Wild Bill Wilder fellow really hasn't been impressing me with his scenario design--no offense to him if he reads this, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McIvan Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Was that against the AI or a human? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake_Corbett Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Well, Tigers are real killers. I recently read a book about Panzerbattles in Normandy. One Tiger managed it to kill 43 Shermans. Than he got destroyed? Nope. The tank was given up by the crew due to ammunition and fuel shortage. I think the scenario is quite real...but doesn´t help much if you try to play it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Originally posted by Moronic Max: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Excellent question. 3 survived, so 23 were taken out.Man. I wish the guy who made the Villers-Bocage operation had read this thread beforehand. As the Allies, I was given something like forty cromwell VIIs, fireflies, Stuarts, and shermans to take out maybe eight tigers and seven panzer IVs. And I was the defender. In hedgerow country. Can you guess what happened? If you guessed, "stuck six tanks in each keyhole position--of which there were at least half a dozen perfectly positioned on the only possible lines of advance--and butchered the axis tanks as they advanced, achieving a better than 1-1 kill ratio", you were correct. I have to say, this Wild Bill Wilder fellow really hasn't been impressing me with his scenario design--no offense to him if he reads this, of course. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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