Guest mch Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 We've been told it's coming......... What is the current status of it? Any new vehicle list? I found that the only really underdeveloped section of the vehicle list is SP arty.Is this what will be added? also,any new Infantry types? The Whermacht is covered verry well,but the American side could use an Armored Inf. selection.The Armd.Inf. had alot more small arms than the rifle teams.I was also wondering about Ranger Inf,but,seems they could be portrayed by Para squads..So,no big deal there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mch Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Here's my personal wish list.. ..not that anyone probably cares....... Axis- (s.I.g.33)on Pz.Kpfw chassis "Bison" StuPz IV "Brummbär" (Like the KT,it did see limited action in the Ardennes) Allied(American) M12 GMC! Armored Inf. Ranger Inf? Allied(Commonwealth) Commando Inf. There you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killmore Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 M22 Locust - perfect for paratroopers who otherwise have no tanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 I haven't checked yet, but is the M16-Quad .50 weapons carrier in the game already? If not, can you add it to Mike's list? Thanx ------------------ The dead know only one thing - it is better to be alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Something needs to be stressed about SP arty units such as Wespe, Hummel, Priest, Sexton, etc. They were put on tracked chassis to give them enough mobility to keep up with armored and other motorized forces. They also had some armor protection, but this was *not* so that they could trade shots with enemy units on the front line, which *rarely* happened. It was to protect the crews at any time they were receiving counterbattery fire, which did happen from time to time. Those of you who are using high-angle SPA in a direct fire role are doing something that almost never happened historically. There were genuine assault guns to do that kind of work, especially in the German and Soviet armies, but the Americans had the 105 Shermans too. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntelWeenie Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Here's my short list of vehicle for an add-on. German: Brummbaer FlakPz 38 (single 20mm on a Hetzer chassis) PSW 234/4 (long 75mm) US: M16 GMC (quad .50s on a halftrack) M15 GMC (37mm + 2 .50s on a halftrack) Sherman Caliope Sherman DD (no amphib during game, but delete BMG and adjust target size?) Commonwealth: M22 Locust (They were used by Brits in operation Varsity, I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Oberst Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 SP Arty in direct fire was not something desireable at all, and never really planned. Optics had a minimum range they were usable for, closer than that it was barrel sighting. Currently reading "History of Panzer Regiment Grossdeutschland" where yes, it was done, but only against marauding armor in the rear that was charging arty positions. Some really frightful battle scenarios in the two book series. Can't wait for CM2 and the Bolsheviks to model some of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TZEENCH Posted June 29, 2000 Share Posted June 29, 2000 Id like to see more german support weapons. Skf 7/? the one with the 88mm AA 37mm at gun M16 Quad 50cal Ammo Carriers for all nations Recovery Vechiles for all nations Mabe some new whays of choosing units- A section like Make unit favrote ( 1 Grenader squad / 4 skfs 2 Lmg esc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted June 30, 2000 Share Posted June 30, 2000 How about some amphib vehicles... DD Shermans The DUWK that Allied Amphib truck the Axis Schwimmmwagen ? ( Like a VW "Thing" jeep that swims) again Amphib Why is it that there are no amphib vehicles in this game? Can someone remind me. I was just suggesting these so that some units could drive/swim across rivers that that don't have any tile that troops can ford across. thanks -tom w ------------------ <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> "Have you thanked BTS by buying your SECOND copy of CM yet?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galland0 Posted June 30, 2000 Share Posted June 30, 2000 A request for demolition engineers to blow bridges along with the satchel charges, 1 or two per platoon. If there's some way to model this type of action now I'd appreciate the info. I've had a hell of a work load lately and I really haven't had a chance to study the manual like I'd like to, need to. A nasty SAS style recon jeep with a gunner on a 50 cal. standing in the back. 2 1/2 ton truck with a 50 cal. for an armoured Red Ball Express ambush senario. extra explosive ammo and fuel carriers? Star shells for nite ops w/ parachutes. Flail Shermans and Churchills(or maybe it was the Scorpion). Dozer Sherman for some nasty Seigfred Line senarios. German engineers platoon equiped with the Goliath remote controlled demolition device. Great for blowing that last open bridge across the Rhine.(okay maybe not a bridge how bout a group of nasty paratroopers hole up in a cellar...LOL) Sd.Kfz-222 great for fast recon. Churchill Ark or Churchill AVRE with SBG Bridge dropable within 30 sec. over a 30 foot stream/ditch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertanker Posted June 30, 2000 Share Posted June 30, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Herr Oberst: SP Arty in direct fire was not something desireable at all, and never really planned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Not necessarily so. Since everyone is quoting Michael Doubler these days, I thought I would bring up his discussions of how the Americans started to use direct-fire self-propelled 155mm howitzers to crack particularly tough nuts. He says that after seeing how buildings were soaking up tank and TD fire in the First Infantry Division's attack on Aachen, the 3d Battalion commander called for an SP 155 for the direct fire role. "Impressed with the gun's use, the regimental commander sent one to support Colonel Daniel's attack. On 16 October a strong German defensive position centered on the city's main theater building held up G Company's advance; artillery, mortar, and armored vehicle firepower proved ineffective against it. In a scene more akin to the infantry-artillery tactics of the American Civil War than the open-order tactics of modern warfare, Daniel pushed the big gun forward to operate among his infantry squads. Downtown Aachen's buildings and cobblestone streets shuddered under the thunderous onslaught from the 155-mm, as it slammed more than a dozen shells into the position, tore the theater's outer facade from the face of the building, and broke the back of local German resistance. On similar occasions the 2d Battalion also employed the artillery piece to smash German defenses, and Daniel reported the gun's effects as 'quite spectacular and satisfying.' After his capture, Colonel Wilck protested the use of direct fire artillery at such close range, calling it 'barbarous' and claiming it should be outlawed, but his appeals fell on the deaf ears of VII Corps soldiers whose sensibilities had been dulled by the heavy fighting since D-Day." See, we need BIG SPA, at least on the Ami side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted June 30, 2000 Share Posted June 30, 2000 Does CM let you use SPA with vertical trajectory? I've only ever been able to employ them directly. Do they work like Mortars in that you have to have LOS? I've never seen the guns on CM's SPA rotate up into the 30 degree and up range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 Bump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 No, Pillar, you cannot use SPA/SPG for indirect fire or vertical fire. ------------------ "Don't lie to me, Gustav! You're a stinkin' Mac user!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 Thanks Buckeye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 Well, I'd like to see some of those German SP guns built on captured French chassis by some bloke called Major B... no, sorry, the name's gone.... (get's his coat and sneaks out the door) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 Number of 'Funnies', b/c they would be, well... Flail tanks, bridge layers etc. .50 quad Weasel Buffaloe (for Commonwealth river crossings) maybe a ford tile, as Tom_W suggested. Motorcycles, they make great targets Oh, and an US SP155mm - I need it to take Berli on in Aachen... But all this would come second to further work on the Tac AI, IMO. That will never be finished, if I understand AI development correctly, and as The Grumbling Grognard (IIRC) pointed out, it is the heart of the game. Not as flashy as having shiny new vehicles, but much more rewarding for us players. Hmm, maybe BTS with all their newfound wealth can farm out vehicles completely? ------------------ Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 How about an add-on pack of units and scenarios that would cover the Italian campaign? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeAcH Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 Aside from AFV, what about adding wagons and the like for atmospheric effect(s)? To dress up the battlefield a bit, you know. The maps would look much better if some civilian type vehicles and movers were abandoned at various locations. TeAcH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted July 1, 2000 Share Posted July 1, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael emrys: How about an add-on pack of units and scenarios that would cover the Italian campaign? Michael<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Will be CM3, IIRC. So I can not really see BTS cannibalising on their future sales. You would also need a much higher emphasis on fortifications, and probably need to address some AI issues around arty. ------------------ Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted July 2, 2000 Share Posted July 2, 2000 I thought CM3 was to be devoted to the early years of the war. It wouldn't make much sense to include the Italian campaign in that because the armies evolved so much between 1939 and 1943 that the amount of units that would have to be included would be simply humongous. On the other hand, the TO&Es didn't change so much between '43 and '44. Other things were unique to the early years of the war that would have to be accounted for by the AI. Tank fright for instance. Infantry units would be more likely to panic when approached by enemy tanks prior to 1943 and the introduction of effective man-portable anti-tank weaponry in the infantry. And so forth. Trying to write both kinds of behavior (pre- and post-1943) into the same game seems uneconomical to me. Why not divide the periods covered along this natural cleavage? Michael [This message has been edited by Michael emrys (edited 07-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted July 2, 2000 Share Posted July 2, 2000 CM3... Med CM4... Early war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Lucke Posted July 2, 2000 Share Posted July 2, 2000 Dead cows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted July 2, 2000 Share Posted July 2, 2000 Ah. Thanks, Berli. Any idea which one will contain the North Africa fighting? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snagdad Posted July 2, 2000 Share Posted July 2, 2000 north africa is more interesting to me than the east front. I worry that, aside from the odd waddy or two, the scenery will be very boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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