Swant Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Hi, I have my FO spotting for 2 mortars from the same platoon. They are firing for effect on different targets. When I adjust one mortar to a new target the other mortar automatically adjust to the same target. Why is that? Isn't it possible to adjust them individually? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony P. Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Off map artillery I take it? In which case, no, not possible to adjust them individually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 On map. I tried it in CMFI and there I can adjust them individually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony P. Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 That's... strange. You should definitely be able to adjust them individually. In fact, I'm pretty sure that even if two or more on map mortars are selected to adjust fire, they'll be doing so individually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 From page 34 of the manual If you open the Support panel again (the artillery icon) with the FO selected, you'll notice that other assets have a "Spotter Busy" text over them. A FO team can only direct one fire mission at a time. Once the current mission has been cancelled or entered "fire for effect", they can create a new support mission. You can assign multiple support assets to a single support mission by shift-left-clicking on both multiple assets. If I'm understanding you correctly you are trying to call two separate missions (of one tube each) with the same FO at the same time. This can not be done and I'm pretty sure it was like this in BS and maybe RT and is being retrospectively introduced into the earlier games. P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 No I think he has called two separate missions with an FO (one after another). Then, as they are both ongoing, he would like to adjust one of them. I believe that is perfectly reasonable. However when he selects on and adjusts it they both adjust. It sounds like one goes where he wants and the other gets shifted relative to the first one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) No thats not what Im doing. Easiest way to try this is the second training mission. First I call in mortar fire from 1 on map mortar. After 3-4 min it starts to fire for effect. Then I call in mortar fire with the same FO from the second mortar. After 3-4 min the second mortar starts fire for effect. Now if I adjust one of them the other adjusts aswell to the same target. Yes what IanL said! Edited May 27, 2016 by Swant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 9 hours ago, Swant said: First I call in mortar fire from 1 on map mortar. After 3-4 min it starts to fire for effect. Then I call in mortar fire with the same FO from the second mortar. After 3-4 min the second mortar starts fire for effect. Now if I adjust one of them the other adjusts aswell to the same target. That definitely sounds like a bug. If you have a saved game file of that, you should open a ticket with Support. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Ok so just to be clear, no one else experience the same behavior? This can easily be tested in the basic training campaign, 2:d mission 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 5 hours ago, Swant said: Ok so just to be clear, no one else experience the same behavior? <Snip> I also saw something similar to this behavior in CMFI during a PBEM in September 2015. (I had to go back and look at my AAR notes). At the time I thought it was something I had screwed up (still might have been). I made a note of it but also changed my TACSOP on pre-planned arty and have not experienced it again. I more or less forgot about it until I read this thread. This is how my incident happened: I had my Forward Observer request multiple (2 or 3) pre-planned missions during the set-up phase. Different assets on different targets. Several minutes later I adjusted one of those assets to a new target. All of the original pre-planned missions adjusted to this new target not just the one I had intended. The rules on spotters and requesting missions were changed at some point (when CMRT came out?). During the set-up phase a spotter can request an unlimited number of fire missions. However after the battle begins a spotter can only direct one mission at a time. I suspect this change may have something to do with this (three missions turn into one) behavior. I'm not sure if that part of the behavior was intended or not. In your incident: Did you request multiple fire missions by the same F/O during the set-up phase or did you begin your requests later in the game? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, MOS:96B2P said: In your incident: Did you request multiple fire missions by the same F/O during the set-up phase or did you begin your requests later in the game? It doesn't matter, I have tried both ways with the same result 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Swant said: <Snip> I have tried both ways with the same result Hmmm, I will load up my CMBN test range later tonight or tomorrow when I get some time and experiment with this. I know you said you saw it in the second training mission but I want to see if I can recreate it outside of that mission. The fact that it happened to you after you began the game proper and not something that originally began in the set up phase invalidates my theory on this.......... I will post the results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Ok cool! Just to be clear it wasn't just the training mission, its the same in all missions with on map mortars. The first missions in the us campaigns is good for testing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Okay did some experimenting with this last night and the results surprised me. I found that multiple mortar & artillery fire missions called by the same spotting unit combine into the same fire mission when one of the original fire missions is adjusted. I only tested US units. I used 81mm on map and off map mortars and a 105mm howitzer. I used a Forward Observer and a Platoon HQ to call for fire missions. I did it after the start of the game proper not during the Set Up Phase. The results were the same. When one mission was adjusted they combined into one. This makes me wonder if my CMBN install and Swant's is corrupt in some way since it is hard to believe only @Swanthas noticed this behavior and mentioned it. I have not played much CMBN in the last year with the exception of the Drums of War Tournament at The Few Good Men. In the tournament games I did not have one spotter with multiple fire missions underway so this issue would not have come up. If anybody else could quick test this and see if they get the same result it would be appreciated. I also did a quick test in CMFI and everything worked as it should. Below are some screenshots of just one test. I did a second with two off map 81mm mortars. Same result. A F/O requested an on map 81mm mortar fire mission the first turn after set up. After the 81mm FFE the F/O requested a 105mm howitzer fire mission. After the 105mm FFE the F/O adjusted the original 81mm fire mission. RESULT : The 81mm and 105mm both adjusted to the new location. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I believe you guys I do not remember the last time I adjusted a fire mission so I am not really surprised that few have noticed this. Can you log it @MOS:96B2P ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, IanL said: I believe you guys I do not remember the last time I adjusted a fire mission so I am not really surprised that few have noticed this. Can you log it @MOS:96B2P ? Okay. Will do so now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swant Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, MOS:96B2P said: Okay. Will do so now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I think I remember this being mentioned before. I suspect it's not often that an observer who's got missions still firing for effect adjusts the mission he's still calling in, so it is possible this doesn't get noticed often. I noticed in FB the other day that fiddling with too many adjustments can lose you the whole mission... Haven't been able to do any testing to nail down what I think is happening yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS:96B2P Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 32 minutes ago, womble said: <Snip> I suspect it's not often that an observer who's got missions still firing for effect adjusts the mission he's still calling in, <Snip> Not the mission he is still calling in. (Although it may happen then also. I did not test that.) One observer has two or more missions all FFE. Maybe for several minutes they FFE. Adjust anyone of them and they ALL adjust to the new target. I was really surprised to see how easy it was to duplicate. For awhile I considered it might be my CMBN install. However Mantis bug report made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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