Col Deadmarsh Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Two questions here:What are these armored cars that fire what looks to be a flash at night and yet acts like a grape shot against infantry?How close do I have to be with an MG42 to kill it with a frontal shot, and does being in a 2nd story building or higher at around 100-200m away help with armor penetration? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 There are several (well, at least two) armoured cars which might have canister rounds. The M8 is probably the most common. I don't think you can penetrate their armour frontally with any rifle-calibre weapon, and you'd have to be pretty high up at that range to have the plunging aspect provide more than the occasional "Hit: Opening; Penetration" result, which probably won't kill any crew but might make them a bit squirrelly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I don't think you can penetrate their armour frontally with any rifle-calibre weapon, and you'd have to be pretty high up at that range to have the plunging aspect provide more than the occasional "Hit: Opening; Penetration" result, which probably won't kill any crew but might make them a bit squirrelly.You can actually kill it with rifle fire from about 50 metres distance. I know because I played a lot of armoured infantry only games lately, and I had one instance where I had to bring up an M8 to provide close fire support inside a forest area. However, it does seem to be a bug of some kind, as there's no "penetration" message (or maybe they aim for the vision slits? But in that case, it should display 'Hit:Opening', I guess?There's also another bug with it, where it acts as if the two front hatches open up when you unbutton, but they are not shown opening. Had long-range machinegun fire kill both the crewmen inside the wagon, without any penetration messages. I reported the bug and Vanir sent it to BF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Yeah, I think there are a couple of models where there's a gap somewhere between the plates that didn't orter be there. They're small, but when the volume of fire gets high (as you get closer and the grunts increase their RoF) the gap gets hit. But other than bugs, and rare vision slit hits the front of an M8 is pretty rifle-proof. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRider3/3 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Two questions here:What are these armored cars that fire what looks to be a flash at night and yet acts like a grape shot against infantry?How close do I have to be with an MG42 to kill it with a frontal shot, and does being in a 2nd story building or higher at around 100-200m away help with armor penetration? I know for sure the M8, and Stuart tanks fire Canister shot. If you have the ability to supply your MG42 teams with AP ammo, do so. I have ripped apart many crews in M8 scout cars and even the M3 halftracks. So if you have SPW 251/1 halftracks you can supply your MG42 squads with AP ammo. Its what I do if I have either the vehicles in a mission, or even QB. 1 halftrack has I think 2000 rounds of AP. Obviously range is a key factor and canister shot is pretty devastating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Deadmarsh Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I know for sure the M8, and Stuart tanks fire Canister shot. If you have the ability to supply your MG42 teams with AP ammo, do so. I have ripped apart many crews in M8 scout cars and even the M3 halftracks. So if you have SPW 251/1 halftracks you can supply your MG42 squads with AP ammo. Its what I do if I have either the vehicles in a mission, or even QB. 1 halftrack has I think 2000 rounds of AP. Obviously range is a key factor and canister shot is pretty devastating.So only AP rounds from an MG will pierce their armor with a frontal shot?BTW...if my MG team grabs the halftrack's extra AP ammo, will they use that before the regular non-AP ammo they're issued? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Try it in the editor and let us know how it goes? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRider3/3 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So only AP rounds from an MG will pierce their armor with a frontal shot?BTW...if my MG team grabs the halftrack's extra AP ammo, will they use that before the regular non-AP ammo they're issued? Yes I believe they usually go through the AP ammo first. But I have not recently verified that. But they do use it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) no german rifle round or mg-42 is going to penetrate the M8 greyhound front and side armor, dunno about rear Edited December 3, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) no german rifle round or mg-42 is going to penetrate the M8 greyhound front and side armor, dunno about rearNot true. I've seen German smg rounds penetrate the M8 Greyhound sides at close ranges. Plenty of "penetration" and "partial penetration" messages. No real damage though, but the (green) crew panicked. Also, I've seen rifles open fire and kill the crew from the front at around 50 metre range. Edited December 4, 2015 by Bulletpoint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) ^ Yeah 9mm penetrating sides that 's a new one.. Edited December 4, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 At 50m they can aim for vision slits with pretty fair accuracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) . On the topic of the original poster, the 37mm found on stuart and greyhound is firing canister (50cal I think) which are just steel balls, it's an anti - troop weapon. Mg-42 looses a lot of power over distance.. Edited December 4, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 ^ Yeah 9mm penetrating sides that 's a new one.. Yep, surprised me too... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) would an mp-40 even pop the tire on a greyhound? If so I think the thing could drive with like 4 flats Edited December 5, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I grabbed my Hunnicutt 'ARMORED CAR" reference book to check on the M8 AC armor specs.Turret is 19.1mm all around angled between 15 and 18 degrees.Front has various thicknesses. Upper front it 19.1mm at 45 degrees, middle-front is 12.7mm at 60 degrees and lower front is 15.9mm at 30 degrees.The sides, though, are only 9mm at 22 degrees. Not much at all.I used to work with an old WWII jungle fighter whose CO blew a hole through the unit's M3 HT side with his .45 pistol as an example of why the infantry should not rely on their HT's armor for cover during a fight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) @ bulletpoint I don't think so... In REAL life anyways... Bulletpoint was not talking about going through vision slits but armor penetration, Besides do you know how hard it is to penetrate a vision slit with a spray and pray smg like the mp-40?? Good way to waste ammo/get KIA trying and virtually impossible.penetrating armor sides with the 9mm smg no go as well @ Mikey I believe the .45 story on the m3s.. But US half-tracks don't compare to greyhounds.. Edited December 6, 2015 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If anyone wants to create a saved game or two showing the inappropriate armour penetrations please do. I am way to busy myself but I can get a few precanned saves into the system. If you set up the US ac as fanatic with a short cover arc they will let you get the enemy weapons as close as you want. Possibly immobilize the ac if it tends to run away.Share them here via drop box or similar or PM me if that will not work and we can sort out some other way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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