PanzerShrimp Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 what is this drop down menu DIRECTLY under the formation/specialist team menu? I stumbled across another thread where people were saying that changing this increases the chance that troops spawn with STG44 so I was curious. The manual says quote: Equipment Quality Dropdown Menu You can set the general equipment available for the troops you purchase with one click on the dropdown menu, ranging from Typical (for that force and period), through Poor and Excellent. To finetune the selection after your purchase, read the next section “Toolbar” BUT the options are Typical/Poor/Excellent etc which is confusing. I cant find a single formation/unit where changing THIS drop down menu changes anything in units or costs. I know you can select a formation and choose on map off map mortar etc or what type guns or tanks from the bottom of the screen, soft factors and yes that changes rarity and price of formation. But this bar does nothing I spent an hour playing with it or am I completely lost/retarded? What is the point of this drop down menu? and is there a way to increase spawn chance of STG44 or was this thread I read wrong. Here is the thread http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117511-stg-44-vs-g43/ thx 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jack Ripper Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It depends on the formation, and the available weapons. A unit equipped with mostly K98's isn't going to benefit much from 'excellent' equipment. However, if you have units equipped with many different types of weapons, the equipment selection makes a difference, both in small arms, and portable antitank weapons availability. Not a 'huge' difference, but a noticeable one. For example, a unit set to 'poor' equipment might have mostly K98's and no Panzerfausts, while a unit set to 'excellent' equipment will have G43's, StG44's, maybe an extra LMG, and a few Panzerfausts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerShrimp Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 It depends on the formation, and the available weapons. A unit equipped with mostly K98's isn't going to benefit much from 'excellent' equipment. However, if you have units equipped with many different types of weapons, the equipment selection makes a difference, both in small arms, and portable antitank weapons availability. Not a 'huge' difference, but a noticeable one. For example, a unit set to 'poor' equipment might have mostly K98's and no Panzerfausts, while a unit set to 'excellent' equipment will have G43's, StG44's, maybe an extra LMG, and a few Panzerfausts. Are you able to give me an example of a formation where i can test this? I have tried Panzer grenadiers multiple times but see 0 difference..... Atm I'm led to believe that this menu does nothing....... I Just cant work it out Im sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Try this.... Set it to excellent and purchase a grenadier battalion and then rename this as "excellent battalion". Now set to poor and buy another grenadier battalion. Rename it poor battalion. You can probably delete out most companies. Then deploy axis and make an analysis/comparison between levels of mg34 etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The most typical case for the Germans will be the substitution of MG34s in the place of MG42s. Units with a lot of automatic weapons may have some differences in the type of automatic weapon assigned. American units may have more or fewer BARs assigned. As SLIM mentioned though, it really does depend on the type of unit you are using. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 The quality setting only works when you set it before purchase. You cannot change the equipment quality of already purchased units. (this is an annoying UI quirk that I'd rather be gone but have learned to live with) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerShrimp Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ive tried experimenting with with German troops cant see a difference at all. Not a big deal, I have just been surprised by the lack of mp43/44 in this game, But the devs who make this game clearly know more then me historically and I see no reason why they would not put them in UNLESS it was historically inaccurate to do so. I think I'm always going to have this option set to excellent from now on in just in case... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 You should see more MP44s in the later time periods. When you use the Panzer Brigades you will see them and you should see plenty with the Volksgrenadiers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerShrimp Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 You should see more MP44s in the later time periods. When you use the Panzer Brigades you will see them and you should see plenty with the Volksgrenadiers. In CMRT??? Also I have CMFI and CMBN all modules but yet to play them, But I have had a look at rosters and I could not find Volksgrenadier at all. I would have thought they would be late in CMBN but no, is another case of I'm retarded? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Volksgrenadiers are not available in the game yet. They are typically associated with the November and later time frame which is outside of the time frame of all the released games so far. I'm just saying that those are the formations that were the most likely to have MP44s historically and that's what you seem to be looking for. So no, altering the equipment quality rating will not give you units full of MP 44s if that is what you are looking for because the units currently in game weren't historically equipped with such weapons since those weapons are associated with an entirely different TO&E. The things that currently change in the Germans is the number of G43 semi auto rifles and whether the MG is going to be an MG 34 or an MG 42. The differences aren't going to be dramatic, but they are present. Edited to add that German paras are probably more likely to get the FG 42 on higher equipment quality settings though! Edited July 29, 2015 by ASL Veteran 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 In CMRT??? Also I have CMFI and CMBN all modules but yet to play them, But I have had a look at rosters and I could not find Volksgrenadier at all. I would have thought they would be late in CMBN but no, is another case of I'm retarded? I don't think we'll see Volksgrenadiers until Bulge. They aren't in any CM:BN module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ah, but if you do want entire units of MP44, I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Sturmgrenadier companies in the later (?Sep only, so CMBN:MG?) PzGr Bttns of the BN family; I'm sure they'll be in the first RT module too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ah, but if you do want entire units of MP44, I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Sturmgrenadier companies in the later (?Sep only, so CMBN:MG?) PzGr Bttns of the BN family; I'm sure they'll be in the first RT module too. Although if he wants them now he can get the Panzer Brigade Panzergrenadiers which is in Market Garden. I don't think the Panzerbrigades have been added to RT yet, but I'm not 100% sure. They are somewhat similar to the Sturmgrenadiers except with possibly a little less firepower in some ways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 one reason to why mp44 is sou rare in RT . German central army laget ammo to mp44. Moust of ammo and wepons was sendet to other fronts and army groups. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Although if he wants them now he can get the Panzer Brigade Panzergrenadiers which is in Market Garden. I don't think the Panzerbrigades have been added to RT yet, but I'm not 100% sure. They are somewhat similar to the Sturmgrenadiers except with possibly a little less firepower in some ways. You might be referring to the same thing I am; pretty sure the Sturmgrenadiers are an option for a PzGr Bttn in the September time period, in MG, but I may be misremembering, or there are options in both Formations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 You might be referring to the same thing I am; pretty sure the Sturmgrenadiers are an option for a PzGr Bttn in the September time period, in MG, but I may be misremembering, or there are options in both Formations. It's possible they have a similar name. There are various types of sturm units in the Volksgrenadier battalions so I may be getting them confused, but yeah, the Panzergrenadiers in the Panzer Brigades have the MP44 in the MG module. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 As a point of history, the VG division wave was formed in response to the summer losses in both Bagration and France. The first VG divisions entered combat in early September, notably in Lorraine vs US 3rd Army. We shouldn't have to wait until the Bulge fighting in December to see them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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