Equipment drop down mneu?

[PanzerShrimp]

what is this drop down menu DIRECTLY under the formation/specialist team menu?

 

I stumbled across another thread where people were saying that changing this increases the chance that troops spawn with STG44 so I was curious.

 

The manual says quote:

 

Equipment Quality Dropdown Menu
You can set the general equipment available for the troops you purchase with one
click on the dropdown menu, ranging from Typical (for that force and period),
through Poor and Excellent. To finetune the selection after your purchase, read
the next section “Toolbar”

 

BUT the options are Typical/Poor/Excellent etc which is confusing.   I cant find a single formation/unit where changing THIS drop down menu changes anything in units or costs.

 

I know you can select a formation and choose on map off map mortar etc or what type guns or tanks from the bottom of the screen, soft factors and yes that changes rarity and price of formation.

 

But this bar does nothing I spent an hour playing with it or am I completely lost/retarded?

 

What is the point of this drop down menu? and is there a way to increase spawn chance of STG44 or was this thread I read wrong.

 

Here is the thread

 

http://community.battlefront.com/topic/117511-stg-44-vs-g43/

 

thx

[General Jack Ripper]

It depends on the formation, and the available weapons.

A unit equipped with mostly K98's isn't going to benefit much from 'excellent' equipment.

 

However, if you have units equipped with many different types of weapons, the equipment selection makes a difference, both in small arms, and portable antitank weapons availability. Not a 'huge' difference, but a noticeable one.

 

For example, a unit set to 'poor' equipment might have mostly K98's and no Panzerfausts, while a unit set to 'excellent' equipment will have G43's, StG44's, maybe an extra LMG, and a few Panzerfausts.

[PanzerShrimp]

It depends on the formation, and the available weapons.

A unit equipped with mostly K98's isn't going to benefit much from 'excellent' equipment.

 

However, if you have units equipped with many different types of weapons, the equipment selection makes a difference, both in small arms, and portable antitank weapons availability. Not a 'huge' difference, but a noticeable one.

 

For example, a unit set to 'poor' equipment might have mostly K98's and no Panzerfausts, while a unit set to 'excellent' equipment will have G43's, StG44's, maybe an extra LMG, and a few Panzerfausts.

 

Are you able to give me an example of a formation where i can test this? I have tried Panzer grenadiers multiple times but see 0 difference.....

 

Atm I'm led to believe that this menu does nothing....... I Just cant work it out Im sorry.

[kohlenklau]

Try this....

Set it to excellent and purchase a grenadier battalion and then rename this as "excellent battalion".

Now set to poor and buy another grenadier battalion. Rename it poor battalion.

You can probably delete out most companies.

Then deploy axis and make an analysis/comparison between levels of mg34 etc

[ASL Veteran]

The most typical case for the Germans will be the substitution of MG34s in the place of MG42s.  Units with a lot of automatic weapons may have some differences in the type of automatic weapon assigned.  American units may have more or fewer BARs assigned.  As SLIM mentioned though, it really does depend on the type of unit you are using.

[JonS]

The quality setting only works when you set it before purchase. You cannot change the equipment quality of already purchased units.

 

(this is an annoying UI quirk that I'd rather be gone but have learned to live with)

[PanzerShrimp]

Ive tried experimenting with with German troops cant see a difference at all.

 

Not a big deal, I have just been surprised by the lack of mp43/44 in this game, But the devs who make this game clearly know more then me historically and I see no reason why they would not put them in UNLESS it was historically inaccurate to do so.

 

I think I'm always going to have this option set to excellent from now on in just in case...

[ASL Veteran]

You should see more MP44s in the later time periods.  When you use the Panzer Brigades you will see them and you should see plenty with the Volksgrenadiers.

[PanzerShrimp]

You should see more MP44s in the later time periods.  When you use the Panzer Brigades you will see them and you should see plenty with the Volksgrenadiers.

 

 

In CMRT???

 

Also I have CMFI and CMBN all modules but yet to play them, But I have had a look at rosters and I could not find Volksgrenadier at all.  I would have thought they would be late in CMBN but no, is another case of I'm retarded?

[ASL Veteran]

Volksgrenadiers are not available in the game yet.  They are typically associated with the November and later time frame which is outside of the time frame of all the released games so far.  I'm just saying that those are the formations that were the most likely to have MP44s historically and that's what you seem to be looking for.  So no, altering the equipment quality rating will not give you units full of MP 44s if that is what you are looking for because the units currently in game weren't historically equipped with such weapons since those weapons are associated with an entirely different TO&E.  The things that currently change in the Germans is the number of G43 semi auto rifles and whether the MG is going to be an MG 34 or an MG 42.  The differences aren't going to be dramatic, but they are present.

 

Edited to add that German paras are probably more likely to get the FG 42 on higher equipment quality settings though!

Edited July 29, 2015 by ASL Veteran

[womble]

In CMRT???

 

Also I have CMFI and CMBN all modules but yet to play them, But I have had a look at rosters and I could not find Volksgrenadier at all.  I would have thought they would be late in CMBN but no, is another case of I'm retarded?

I don't think we'll see Volksgrenadiers until Bulge. They aren't in any CM:BN module.

[womble]

Ah, but if you do want entire units of MP44, I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Sturmgrenadier companies in the later (?Sep only, so CMBN:MG?) PzGr Bttns of the BN family; I'm sure they'll be in the first RT module too.

[ASL Veteran]

Ah, but if you do want entire units of MP44, I believe you'll find what you're looking for in the Sturmgrenadier companies in the later (?Sep only, so CMBN:MG?) PzGr Bttns of the BN family; I'm sure they'll be in the first RT module too.

Although if he wants them now he can get the Panzer Brigade Panzergrenadiers which is in Market Garden.  I don't think the Panzerbrigades have been added to RT yet, but I'm not 100% sure.  They are somewhat similar to the Sturmgrenadiers except with possibly a little less firepower in some ways.

[snarre]

one reason to why mp44 is sou rare in RT . German central army laget ammo to mp44. Moust of ammo and wepons was sendet to other fronts and army groups.

[womble]

Although if he wants them now he can get the Panzer Brigade Panzergrenadiers which is in Market Garden.  I don't think the Panzerbrigades have been added to RT yet, but I'm not 100% sure.  They are somewhat similar to the Sturmgrenadiers except with possibly a little less firepower in some ways.

You might be referring to the same thing I am; pretty sure the Sturmgrenadiers are an option for a PzGr Bttn in the September time period, in MG, but I may be misremembering, or there are options in both Formations.

[ASL Veteran]

You might be referring to the same thing I am; pretty sure the Sturmgrenadiers are an option for a PzGr Bttn in the September time period, in MG, but I may be misremembering, or there are options in both Formations.

It's possible they have a similar name.  There are various types of sturm units in the Volksgrenadier battalions so I may be getting them confused, but yeah, the Panzergrenadiers in the Panzer Brigades have the MP44 in the MG module.

[JasonC]

As a point of history, the VG division wave was formed in response to the summer losses in both Bagration and France.  The first VG divisions entered combat in early September, notably in Lorraine vs US 3rd Army.  We shouldn't have to wait until the Bulge fighting in December to see them.