Rongor Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Title says it all. I want to send in helos to areas I don't have LOS to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L0ckAndL0ad Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 You don't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share Posted June 6, 2015 what do I need then? In my game I can't issue the command unless the patrol area is within LOS completely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdolmartin Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Do you mean helos or planes? Helo and drone missions can be called anywhere and don't require LOS, while plane missions require direct LOS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) So why does anybody need LOS? Calling in fire missions and air attack runs only requires coordinates. I can tell coordinates by a map without having LOS. Edited June 7, 2015 by Rongor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So why does anybody need LOS? Calling in fire missions and air attack runs only requires coordinates. I can tell coordinates by a map without having LOS. Because Helos have eyes on what they're shooting at, so can, theoretically, abort mission if targets other than hostiles are at risk. Less true with lobbed bombs and entirely not true with artillery. Sure, it's not a perfect representation of the realities of fire control, and how they vary even within the game environment, but it's enough reason to have some restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Buy and use TRPs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Buy and use TRPs I have no idea what you are talking about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So why does anybody need LOS? Calling in fire missions and air attack runs only requires coordinates. I can tell coordinates by a map without having LOS. It's still rarely done unobserved. You have a finite number of shells, even if you think the enemy is somewhere around grid 38S AB 12345678 or whatever, the rounds could still be off, or that gridpoint could very well be in the right area, but just outside the kill radius of what you're trying to explode. Rotary aviation is different because it's low and slow enough, with some sensors that'll let it go to an area and poke around, possibly find targets (your mileage varies on the helicopter type). But artillery needs someone to see where the rounds are going to verify they're doing a thing, and fast movers are generally coming in fast enough they really need to know broadly where they're aiming and what they're aiming at. Re: TRPs Look in the same category that trenches and barbed wire lives in on the unit purchase menu for Quick Battle. There's an item called TRPs which stands for "Target Reference Point." They're a little red circle with an x on it when you place them on the map. They represent places the artillery guys have already crunched the numbers for. What they do is allow you to call in an artillery strike quite quickly with a high degree of accuracy within a fairly small radius wherever you've placed the TRP during the setup phase. They're really useful if you place them places that the enemy will almost certainly occupy, or have to pass through so you can bring the hurt down once you've got a few of the ? type target markers vs a solid contact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ok, I can follow that regarding the artillery. No wonder I didn't come about TRP buying yet, as I started the russian campaign and didn't touch QB so far. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Wenman Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 No wonder I didn't come about TRP buying yet Well you could read the manual or playing the training campaign. If not - just don't expect everything to work the way you think it ought. P 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 I did both, but I didn't memorize them. Also as I said above, there is no TRP buying in my campaign so far. My thread wasn't meant to investigate the rules but to question them. Have a nice day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I did both, but I didn't memorize them. Also as I said above, there is no TRP buying in my campaign so far. My thread wasn't meant to investigate the rules but to question them. Have a nice day. You can't purchase units in campaigns or "battles" only in quick battles, so what you see is what you get in the Russian campaign and I believe there are a few missions with TRP's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 You can't purchase units in campaigns or "battles" only in quick battles, so what you see is what you get in the Russian campaign and I believe there are a few missions with TRP's. yeah I know but the guy writing post #7 didn't consider me playing the campaign obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Because Helos have eyes on what they're shooting at, so can, theoretically, abort mission if targets other than hostiles are at risk. Less true with lobbed bombs and entirely not true with artillery. Sure, it's not a perfect representation of the realities of fire control, and how they vary even within the game environment, but it's enough reason to have some restrictions. This. While fast-moving jets might attack coordinates in a strike far from friendly units, there is simply no way that they would be allowed to attack targets near friendly lines without a spotter on the ground clearing them for the strike. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Rongar, welcome aboard! You will learn and adapt, if you stick with it, and trust me, CM is worth it. :-)CM isn't like any other game you have ever played, and this forum is unique.Worst thing you can do on this forum is get defensive. You will be dropped into the shark tank if you go down that road. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 You will be dropped into the shark tank if you go down that road. Or worse, we' ll drop him in Peng Thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Thanks guys. No problem with smarty pants talking, I have patience Will open up another thread soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Williams Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Or worse, we' ll drop him in Peng Thread. Surely a fate worse than death. I haven't been brave enough to enter a Peng thread in years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Surely a fate worse than death. I haven't been brave enough to enter a Peng thread in years. Link please, I'll do that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agusto Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Link please, I'll do that http://community.battlefront.com/topic/119396-the-peng-challenge-thread-some-one-get-me-a-drink-and-tell-me-whats-going-on-eh/page-7 The Peng Challenge is an old battleront.com forum tradition. You poke fun at other forum members until one of them gets enraged and challenges you to a Combat Mission PBEM multiplayer game. You must accept the challenge then, otherwise you will dishonour yourself, lose your face forever and be thrown in a real shark tank. Yes, Battlefront has a real shark tank for people who decline PBEM challenges in the Peng Challenge Thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 That Massachusetts video is hilarious 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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